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Irish Minister Of European Affairs Dick Roche Spins Euro-Nonsense and Trashes Libertas Party on Finnish TV…….

Finnish TV journalism at its worst
as Ireland’s Dick Roche spin’s the Lisbon Treaty
as a “great deal” for small EU member states

On Finnish MTV3, it’s all chuckles and smiles
no substance or hard questions

There obviously wasn’t any background research done on the Lisbon Treaty/EU consitution, by the Finnish MTV3 host, prior to the interview with Ireland’s Minister of European Affairs, Dick Roche. The man was allowed to pontificate his dreams for Europe and for the good of the people, without a single hard ball question being thrown at him. Actually much of what he stated was so over the top, that I thought it worthwhile to transcribe for the TT readership.

Also in the news, is Finnish Foreign Minister, Alexander Stubb, who’s outraged over the comparison made by Timo Soini, spokesman for the EU critical, True Finns, with EU to the former Soviet Union. Stubb, who is one of Finland’s most pro-EU politicians stated that:

Don’t ever compare the EU to the Soviet Union, the EU is the world’s most successful “peace organization. Such talk is pure piggishness.” Stubb’s slam of Soini mirrors the same flowery speech Irish Minister of Europe, Dick Roche, gave during his morning interview on Finnish TV.

What follows is the transcript of the interview peppered with a few comments from the Tundra Tabloids. Here is a link to an excellent interview of Libertas’ Declan Ganley on the BBC’s Hard talk. I would dare anyone to try and refute his logic.

Dick Roche interview on Finnish MTV3

Friday morning 17.04.09

MTV3: Good morning Dick Roche

Dick Roche: Good morning.

MTV3: Let’s start from the treaty of Lisbon. Is it likely that the Irish are going to say yes this time around?

Dick Roche: I think so. I think so.

MTV3: Why?

Dick Roche: Well we have been in discussions with our European partners, including Finland, since the referendum in last June. We identified the five areas, the four or five areas that were of concern to the Irish people, and we’re discussing those with partners, and with those the idea of a commissioner for every member state.

[But let’s be honest here, the only reason why these EU elitists are now talking about the need for commission for every state, is becuase the people rejected the treaty (EU constitution), otherwise they (the politicians) would be more than satisified to be without a voice in the EU parliament for five years every ten years.

How grand of him now to take notice that such a thing is contempt for democracy, which he and like ilk were more than happy to go along with.]

We were very strong on this, Ireland and Finland, during the course of the convention on the future of Europe which drafted the original treaty. So there is now an understanding among some member states that, in the event of the ratification, every member will continue to hold a commissioner, that’s important, it’s important for small countries, feeling that you have a position at the table.

[Just wait till you see the next few paragraphs to see what an empty statement Roche just made. He’s resting Irish democracy upon the good graces of future assurances made by others, not on anything written in ink.]

And there were other issues as well, issues that attack sovereignty, the issue of our traditional view of neutrality which is very strong in Ireland, non-alliance, and of course the issue about moral and ethical issues, for instance decisions to be made in matters like abortion, that we make those decisions ourselves.

So we have negotiated for the last while in June, in the European council meeting we’re likely to finally reach the final agreement on taxes. The changes will not change the treaty but they will be guarantees to the Irish people, and then we will be in a position to put those guarantees to the Irish people later this year. And hopefully get them to vote yes.

[No mention of the back room deals and the myriad of policy making sub-groups that no one knows who’s involved and what conflicts of interest there might be. But Roche is more than happy to place the future of Irish and Finnish democrcy in the hands of those who offer guarantees in place of written script. He even admits that there will be no change in the treaty (read EU constitution), and he does it all without batting an eye!]

MTV3: You get so much from the EU, shouldn’t you just be grateful and not bite the hand that feeds? (laughter)

Dick Roche: No, no, (laughing) We don’t look at it like that. I mean, first of all I have to say that the Lisbon Treaty is a really good treaty from the point of view of a small country. It recognizes the equality of member states, it actually deals with issues that are of concern to the Irish people about who does what, where does power lie, and you know, will we lose sovereignty?

It was to do with those issues, more philosophical issues than money. Irish people have a hugely positive attitude towards Europe. After the referendum, we did a major survey to find out what were the issues, what were the real issues, what really upset people.

And it was astonishing! Even those people who voted no, overwhelming support Europe, but the idea is that you have to communicate better, Europe has to speak to the peoples’ hearts, it has to make sure that….

MTV3: It’s people (laughing)

[The Lisbon Treaty is a document that is completely unreadable, unlike the US constitution. It is the EU constitution repackaged, and some 50 000 words heavier version than the original, and yet they call it by a different name, only because it’s a convenient means to get it by-passed a public vote.

Because it’s now a “treaty”, it therefore needs only to be voted on by the individual parliaments of the Union. It’s all blue smoke and mirrors. I find it grossly insulting to listen to him pontificate about the need to be open to the people, when in fact, everything the EU does is done behind closed doors and as secretive as possible.

“Speak to the people’s hearts” my eye. I hear laughing, but it’s not coming from “the people”, but from the EU elitists who work the levers of power like a craftsman works a finely tuned machine.]

Dick Roche: Absolutely, because , you know, Europe is not some monster that has been created, it is the people of Europe, are Europe, not the politicians or the institutions, it’s the people.

[More nonsense, the EU is in fact a monster, and increasing incapable of hearing dissenting views. The Eurocrats showed their disdain for the Czech presidency by walking out if its chambers as it’s president was delivering a speech on the need to entertain diverse opinion and debate.]

And what we have to do is engage with the people, show the people that this is the most extraordinary, the European Union is the most extraordinary peace process that mankind has ever seen. This is a fact. For the nations that have warred with each other in the first half of the last century, war is inconceivable, and that’s a huge price, that’s a huge benefit.

And what we need to do is be more at that level, not about regulations, not about language people don’t understand. So that’s why it’s important we have for example, every member state has a commissioner at the table. Not so you can, the commissioner doesn’t represent the state, the ministers represent the member state, your ministers represent Finland.

[Europe needs the anti-democracy EU and its institutions, to bolster peace on the contintent, like it needs a hole in the head. Individual democracies of Europe is what strenghtens European democracy, not the other way around. Left on its own, the corrupting influence of the EU will in the end, destroy individual democracies of its member states.

The reason that there has not been wars in Western Europe, is due solely to the fact that liberal democracies DO NOT WAGE WAR ON ONE ANOTHER. It’s a historical fact.]

But the commissioners have, I think the capacity to go in and out of Europe, and meet the people. We want to see a Europe that is very closely linked to the people, and that’s what I..the Irish people are hugely positive about Europe and every reason, you’re right, we have done so very well from Europe.

We were the poorest nation in Europe when we joined the Union, we now have the second highest GDP per capita in the European Union, even with a recession. Ireland has done extraordinarily well. But it’s not about money, you know that in Finland better than most, you had troubles with a big neighbor (Russia), we had trouble with a big neighbor, it took us 800 years to get independence and we’re not going to sell that for anything.

MTV3: We Finns are like teachers pets in the EU, should we be more like trouble makers like you Irishmen? You said no to the Lisbon treaty and you have gotten so many guarantees and so well benefits?

[The Finnish state has behaved exactly as she sates, in every way. No truer words were spoken, especially during this interview.]

Dick Roche: I think that’s a misconception if I may say so,..

MTV3; Why?

Dick Roche: I’ll tell you why, we want to improve matters in Lisbon. We want the Lisbon treaty just to have those little improvements that people will not have those concerns in Ireland. Remember in each member state the concerns are different, everybody views Europe slightly differently. We see the Lisbon Treaty as hugely beneficial for small countries, really beneficial for small countries. I mean it would make Europe more democratic, much more open than it has been.

It makes it clearer than ever before, what the relationships are between the national constitutional law and the European law. Europe has powers, but only if the members states give Europe those powers, that’s very important. We need to communicate the benefits better than we have done. And it’s not a question of looking for more benefits, we’re prepared, we’ll be from here on end, will be donaters, we will be net donors to Europe and that’s as it should be, because we want to pay our way.

[Remember folks, Dick Roche was more than happy with the original version, it’s only due to the no vote, that they are even thinking about “fine tuning it“.]

But it’s not,..we have ,, this issue in the Irish character, we want to be certain what we will do on our constitution. Our constitution is unusual in that it gives one sovereign authority in the state, that’s the people. So when we have to make a big decision, we have to have a referendum, we have to consult with the people. And it’s one thing to consult with parliament, with the majority in parliament, but it’s another thing when you have to go out there and you have to speak to all of the people.

[Next is the more interesting part of the interview, the nasty Libertas party is mentioned, and in loud whispers, like they would catch something if they talked out loud.]

Now in our referendum in Ireland last year, I will have to say, that there were some very unusual aspects. We had a very unusual intervention with an organization that was extraordinarily well funded, we don’t know where the funding came from, we have our views on that, but we don’t know, and they won’t tell us.

MTV3: Which party, which party?

Dick Roche: (Laughing) We’re talking about the Libertas organization, that has been running around Europe talking about openness and transparency but they’re secretive, they won’t say where they got their funding. I mean, I know where I get the funds, and where the political parties that campaigns and where the civil society groups, because they’ve all told the commission.

We have a referendum commission on that, so I think that if you’re going to be talking about openness and transparency, you’re going to have to be transparent and above all, you’re going to have to be truthful.

MTV3: Thank you

Video viewable here:

What more can one say about a man who was telling half truths and outright lies during the entire interview, to a clueless journalist/reporter who tossed soft ball questions to the EU hack, who was more than willing to bloviate his ludicrus claims to his Finnsh audience? He’s a blow hard. KGS

4 Responses

  1. It all ties in with the plan by the Irish political class and a tame media to give endless soft coverage to the Yes campaign and to simply smear the No side with no opportunity for redress in coming months. What is so extraordinary and sad is that Irish journalists are lining up behind their masters to do the bidding of the political class on this – even to the point of their organisations claiming that it is “unfair” to give the No side equal coverage at the next referendum (and the one after that presumably if the Irish give the wrong answer again…). And what about the EU funding for the Yes campaign? Where is the transparency in all that, Minister? So it’s somehow wrong for a campaign opposed to what you want to raise money, but somehow fine for you to accept “public information campaign” cash for Irish state radio and tv (among others) to ensure that they smear the No side and act as cheerleader for the Yes side next time.

  2. Libertas is not EU critical organization. It’s just against Lisbon Treaty.

    The problem with Libertas is that they think EU used to be accountable, transparent and democratic before Lisbon Treaty. The fact is that EU has never been accountable, transparent or democratic.

    These three concepts are, in fact, against the very foundation EU stands for. See EU Referendum for details.

    Libertas web page and their program can be found at

    Libertas stands for federalist EU, which is not possible, because the EU countries are too heterogenous to be able to form a federation.

  3. In full agreement Damian, sounds very much like the media drones here in Finland.

    Vasarahammer, I must say that you must have missed something in the Libertas party’s exchanges with the pro-EU elites.

    The party is very EU critical, at the way its institutions are run, being non-transparent and highly anti-democratic.

    In my opinion, this places the party on the side of the critics, but of course not the sceptics, of which the latter have long since given up hope.

    No misunderstand me, I’m not holding out great hope that Libertas will be successful, but what they are doing, goes a very long way in exposing the EU, in much the same way as the EU sceptics have done.

    I do not find any grand appeal for federalism in the Libertas movement, with states rights being the prime motivating factor, as well as safe guarding soveriegnty and the individual states consitutional rights.

    So no, I don’t believe that Libertas is a federalist movement, rather, as a movement that wants a return to the economic union of old, nothing more.

  4. “So no, I don’t believe that Libertas is a federalist movement, rather, as a movement that wants a return to the economic union of old, nothing more.”

    If that is the case, then there is no reason not to support them. Lisbon treaty would make EU a state-like actor in the world stage and remove the veto from EU countries.

    However, you should also look at their party platform and what it says. I don’t think Libertas have thought the things through the way they should have.

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