Jordan is Palestine

Which is Palestinian
and which is Jordanian?

On the same day Dutch politician, Geert Wilders, delivered a speech in Tel Aviv where he declared that Jordan is indeed the state of the Palestinians, the Argentinean government also made a declaration, it said it recognized a Palestinian state in pre-1967 borders of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Both statements caused a stir in many places around the world.

PVV Dutch MP, Geert Wilders:
“Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

In light of the far reaching ramifications of both statements, they should be then scrutinized for their veracity and historical factuality. First of all, is Jordan a Palestinian state? When looking at the map of the British mandate for what was known then as “Palestine”, it becomes quite clear what area was originally earmarked for the Jewish homeland.

At the end of the First World War, the division of responsibilities for the administering of the Middle East areas fell to the various Western powers victorious over the Ottoman Turks, as mandates, under the auspices of the League of Nations, it was during that time that the famous Balfour Declaration was made:

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

The Balfour Declaration was accepted by the British Mandate in 1917, which then became subject to a White Paper that many believe reneged on it’s earlier promise, that being a commitment to allowing Jews a homeland. But the paper did insist however that:

“the Jewish community should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on the sufferance. That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connection.”

Palestine Facts states that: “The area of the Mandate was originally 118,000 square kilometers (about 45,000 square miles). In 1921, Britain took the 91,000 square kilometers of the Palestine Mandate east of the Jordan River, and created Trans-Jordan (later the Arab country of Jordan) as a new Arab protectorate. Jews were barred by law from living or owning property east of the Jordan river, even though that land was over three-fourths of the original Mandate.”

A Jordanian State stamp dating from 1964, bearing the likeness of King Hussein and pictures Mandated Palestine as an undivided territory

The Arab official line before a “two state solution” became stated policy of Israel and the West, was that the people in Trans-Jordan cum Jordan were indivisible from those Arabs inside Israel proper, Judea and Samaria. In fact there are statements by leading Arabs buttressing the notion that indeed: Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.

This is the royal decree and sentiments of two of the kings of Jordan.

“Palestine and Jordan are one…” said King Abdullah in 1948.

“The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan,” said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.

“Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate,” Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

What are we to conclude from this other than the historical perspective at the time, that being, they (the Arabs) saw themselves as being part of Palestine/Palestinian. Around 70% of the Jordanian population today, still see themselves as Palestinians. Even Yasser Arafat and his PLO thugs looked to Jordan as being a part of their homeland.

Abu Toameh:

When the PLO tried to establish a state-within-a-state in the kingdom in the late 60’s and early 70’s, Jordan’s King Hussein ordered the army to launch a massive assault on the refugee camps in the kingdom, massacring thousands of Palestinians in what has since become to be known as Black September.

The Palestinians who were expelled from Jordan to Lebanon later played a major role in the Lebanese civil war. Over 100,000 people are believed to have been killed in that war, which lasted for more than a decade.

Lets face facts, the three state solution has become an intractable mess, there is no room for budging on the Israeli side, every square centimeter given to these Arabs as a permanent part of a second Palestinian state, spells trouble for the Jewish state as it’s used as a launching pad for further aggression against it.

The Palestinians (which used to mean Jews in Palestine before Israel became a state) are not able to form a state for themselves, because they refuse to accept the responsibility for actually running it. They have proven themselves to be more comfortable in accepting massive amounts of foreign aid, while they continually try to chip away at Israeli legitimacy on the world stage.

Time to end the pretending that these Arabs are really serious about wanting a state of their own, and accept the fact that it’s the massive amounts of foreign aid that really interests them most, as well as the hope of one day getting rid of the highly successful  Jewish one. KGS

54 Responses to Jordan is Palestine

  1. English Viking says:

    Good post.

    Nice to see someone who knows what they are talking about, someone with facts, not emotion and propaganda.

  2. olga kasabian says:

    there are stamps of british mandate palestine teritorry alone wihout the jordan area. get your facts straight. israel was never on any map in history.

    • Boris says:

      By saying history, do you mean:
      A. Deamons and Angels
      B. Balfour Declaration
      C. The Bible

      Because in two of them Israel does appear. With clear borders.

      I didn’t hear your comments about what did the Arabs say about the Palestine division plan (two countries for two nations, proposed in the 1920s. Phill’s convention).
      Hmm.. Jews accepted this proposition, even though they had the minority of land, mostly of which was in the desert.
      Guess who didn’t like it.

      • Lars says:

        Regarding C on your list:

        “From the beginning men used God to justify the unjustifiable.”

        • Leo says:

          You forgot to clarify your one-liner. It has been some men who have done this. And because some men have misused God’s Word certainly doesn’t mean that God Himself has been discredited… but those men.

          It’s easy to make short blanket statements to prop up one’s own views. I think you’ve done just that.

  3. marilyn says:

    I am a born-again believer in Father God,and Yeshua. According to My Bible,Genesis 1;1=In the beginning God created the [whole universe]{earth}.The Jews are His chosen People. He also gave them [the twelve tribes of ISRAEL] All ISRAEL including Jordan! If I were You,I wouldn’t go against God! The other countrys have no right to interfear,or judge Gods Holy Word. John 3:16=For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son,and WHOSOEVER Believeth in Him shall not perish by have EVERLASTING LIFE.{Yes there is Life after Death because People were made in GODS IMAGE}! There is no country or Other People greater than FATHER GOD AND YESHUA.

    • Intouch with Reality says:

      Hahahaha, so lost in your weak mind that you blindly follow personally interpreted rubbish.

  4. Stephane Poirot says:

    In the main, a well backgrounded story of Britain’s colonial intrigues: Give 77% of land that does not belong to them to foreign Hashemite leader and include in the package a military officer, Glubb Pasha, and brigade of ex-British Army mercenaries, supply them with tanks, munitions and give them a free hand in securing the area. Securing also means passing laws that forbid Jews from residing within the territory east of the Jordan River,and from owning land east of the Jordan River (why is it no one condemns Jordan as racist and apartheid, nor condemns Britain for supporting racist /apartheid laws?)
    As to Marilyn’scomments: The claims on the Land of Israel inherited in the Old Testaments hold little water, and like assertions by Arab politiicians that the Jews were given their piece of Palestine because of the Holocaust, make little difference in the United Nations, nor among the nations of the world. What matters is that Israel was founded by Jews dedicated to building and defending their own country, and legally recognized by the United Nations, the same organization that consistently, and baselessly, condemns them for defending their borders and their right to exist (this is easily explained by examining the list of members in the UN Security Council). Marilyn alsoerrs in claiming that Israel included Jordan – what was included was land east of the Jordan River, but not all of Jordan, which was inhabited by neighboring tribes, such as the Edomites.
    The rational solution to the situation today is a 2 states solution: Israel and Palestine (the majority of Palestine consisting of what is Presently the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (interesting that the liberals condemn Israel for wanting to preserve their identity as a Jewish State, while never mentioning that Jordan is a Hashemite kingdom, or that Iran is an Islamic republic – a contradiction in terms!). Palestine would maintain their capital in Rabat Amman, and work out a joint governance of what is presently called th West Bank/Judea and Samaria, allowing Palestinians and Jews (Israelis) to reside in the sector (claims from Palestinians that Jews have no rights to land in Judea and Samaria are falacious, given the long history of Jewish residence in Havron, and morerecent stories of ethnic cleansing of the Gush Emunim settlements during the 1948 War. Palestinian claims on Gaza are unilateral, as the territory is not desired by Israel or Egypt (Gaza was never part of a Jewish region regarding partition, and Israel wantsnothing to do with ruling the area.
    When everything went astray, and even Israelis abandoned Gold Meir’s definition of a 2 state solution, I do not know, but somehow, we must go back to that definition if we are to attain a resolution in Palestine (Israel, Palestine and Transjordan).

  5. Jaccob says:

    Hay… i think you guys are using words from a phrase !!!!
    so strange how you guys turn a hole meaning …
    So funny you are…
    and ur using a phrase also in talking about historical matters ..
    wake up guys ..
    and say just one phrase Correct …

    • KGS says:

      How are we to understand your incoherent comment? Can’t make out what you’re trying to say Jaccob, maybe it’s because you’rr so outraged at Israel that you can’t formulate proper sentences.

      • Raymond says:

        Muddled thinking always results in muddled incoherent language.

        This guy needs to go back to English classes and learn to write a sentence that expresses clearly what he means.

  6. Tim says:

    Finally, at long last, someone is saying the same thing that I’ve been saying till I’m blue-in-the-face. Jordan was part of the British Mandate and was called ‘Palestine’. They gave the area, called ‘Palestine’, to Abdulla the following year, which later became known as ‘Jordan’. That is a fact-a historical fact. There is a Palestinian state, and it is called ‘Jordan’. In all reality, this is no longer Israel’s problem; the problem lies with the Heshemite Kingdom of Jordan in letting the Palestinian refugees in the Kingdom, despite the ‘Black September’ massacre. Imagine the IDF mass killing thousands of Palestinians like the Jordanians did. International outrage, including the Obama White House, would be immediate and scathing (and rightly so). But when it comes to Jordan, no one recalls the event, and no one is told of it. Odd.

  7. Stephane Pereire says:

    You need to go farther back in your history, or simply refer to authors like Avi Shlaim, who write about the Hashemites and Israel: Abdullah, the present king of Jordan’s grandfather, was son of Husayn, Sherif of Mecca, with much ambition to rule an Arab kingdom from Arabia to Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. After being thrown out of the Hejaz by the Sauds, and losing Mecca, Abdullah was given TransJordan by the British, and proped up by the Arab Legion (which was led by, financed by and armed by the British).
    While Churchil thought that giving Abdullah his own Emirate, takig from Palestine the region east of the Jordan River, Abdullah thought his kingdom too small, and claimed Maan and Aqaba from the Saudis, and coveted western Palestine for his kingdom as well.
    Emir Abdullah finally got his opportunity to claim a holy city and part of western Palestine when, in 1948, his Arab neighbors attacked Israel. The British-backed Arab Legion took over the west bank and Jerusalem (they evicted Jews from the Old City and from kibbutzim near Hebron, and even built a wall to divide the city, preventing former Jewish Jerusalemites from returning to their homes.
    So not only did the Hashemites take over a good part of Palestine, whih they ruled for 20 years, keeping Palestinians in misrable conditions (it was never the Israelis who kept Palestinians in refugee camps), the Jordanians were the first to built a segregation wall nd inforced an apartheid policy against Jews.
    Because Jordan annexed Jerusalem, the members of the Arab League, the British and the UN never condemned Jordan for taking over the territory, or treating the Palestinians as refugees in their own land, it was only when Israel liberated the territory, that thhese parties condemned Israel for surviving the Arab forces in 1967, and releasing the territories from non-Palestinian annexation.
    The world has to know that as far back as 1920, Arabs put forth political ideas of a united Syria, Palestine and Jordan, all ruled by a single foreign regent from an alien (the Hashemites were from the Hejaz) clan, with no connection to the Palestinians, Jordanians or Syrians.
    In as much as the Palestinians complain that the British had no right to promise a homeland in Palestine for the Jews, they had no right to ensconce the Hashemites in Iraq, Syria and TransJordan; but they did, and having done so, the British even prevented the locals, including Emir Abdullah, from consummating agreements with Jews to invest in, settle in and develop agricultural developments outside of the designated west Palestinian territory (again, more apartheid policies, not of the Jews or Israelis making).
    The British left Emir Abdullah and his arid kingdom impoverished and reliant on the British Foreign Office, and British troops. They also built up sentiment in the area against the Zionists west of the Jordan River.
    Had the British allowed the peoples living in the area to work out their issues amongst themselves, the map would have been very different, and we would be talking of a two state solution consisting og Palestine.Jordan and Israel, trading with each other, and managing more porous borders, allowing more freedom for crossing, for commerce and for development.

    • KGS says:

      Avi Shlaim is a hack, having been fully discredited by Efraim Karsh and a whole host of other sound, fully accredited scholars.

    • Charles Van De Merva says:

      Will all you people stop referring to segregation as “Apartheid”!

      Apartheid is just the Responsible Government of the Republic of South Africa, way of saying “Affirmative Action” for white people! NOT Segregation!
      It was put in place after WW2 so that the men who were away fighting, could catch up! is that SO wrong?

      The fact that in the 60’s-80’s South Africa BORROWED from America! Segregation Laws, is an injustice to both apartheid and the people who suffered under segregation tactics.
      Really, If YOU’RE NOT South African who was born before 1994, You have no rite to use the word Apartheid.

    • Lenya says:

      I agree with most of your article except where your seperate the Arab “Palestinians from the Arab “Jordainians”. These are one and the same people even though Jordan is ruled by a Hashemite Arab most of the Arabs living in Jordan are “Palestinian” Arabs (around 85%) As you know both “Palestinians” and “Jordanians” were a created people. When the British mandate criminally partitioned 77% of Israel to create the Kingdom of Jordan…the Arab “Palestinians” who were fighting for their own land were meant to move to this new country but the Arab league had their own designs for the remainder of the Jewish lands and made sure that a large presence of the so call “Palestinians” remained in Israel to continue their never ending quest to drive the Jews out of all Israel. The best solution to end the conflict is for the world to recognize that there is already a Palestine east of the Jordan river and to allow to move the “Palestinian” Arabs out of all Heretz Yishrael.

  8. Martin Cohen says:

    The British have been playing the duplicitious role ever since. Having armed, trained and led the Hasjhemite Legion in the war of Independence, the British establishment have done all they can to wipe Israel off the map.
    Can you imagine Cameron criticised I srael for theGaza prison camp. Was he not aware of Gilad? He has now dropped all ties to Israel. Bastard that he is. Next time he says anything about Israel, he should be thoroughly questionned and corrected.

    • Raymond says:

      Agreed. Britain has a disgraceful history vis-à-vis Israel.

      I have an odd viewpoint (maybe not so odd).

      Countries that treat Jews badly at home or abroad inevitably reap a bad outcome.

      Look at Britain today.

      On the other hand, Australia has re-established a cordial cooperative relationship with Israel after Socialist Labour was booted out in the recent election.

      Israel can again rely on Australia to now support it in any matter where Israel’s interests are threatened.

  9. Suzanne Weinstein says:

    It is said that the new Princess of Cambridge is really a Jewess. When Prince William has his first son, maybe this future King of England will be recognized as a Jew. Hopefully he will return to his Jewish roots and recognize the Law of Torah throughout the world and bring all the Jews back to Israel. In the meantime, since England loves its Arabs so much, we should just switch England’s Jews and Israel’s Arabs in a population transfer. End of problem, as Jordan doesn’t seem to want them, and Israel certainly shouldn’t keep them.

  10. Lassenfels says:

    The 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica finds the population of Palestine composed of a widely differing a group of inhabitants ,speaking no less than fifty languages .In addition to the Assyrian, Persian and Roman elements of ancient times,the short-lived Egyptian government introduced into the population an element from that country which still persists in the villages. There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece and Italy, Turkoman settlements, Persians an Afghan colony Kurds, German Templar colonies ,a Bosnian colony,Russians,French and the Circassian settlements placed by the Turkish government in order to keep a restraint on the Bedouins, an Algerian population ,while the Sudanese have been reduced in numbers since the beginning of the 20th century.
    The disparate peoples assumed and purported to be settled Arab indigenes, for a thousand years were in fact a heterogeneous community with no Palestinian identity and according to an official British analysis in 1920, no Arab identity either: The people west of the Jordan are not Arabs,only Arabic-speaking.
    The first Palestinian nationalist organisations emerged at the end of the World War I after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. Dominated by the Nashashibi family who militated for the promotion of a singular Arabic language,culture and Islamic laws for Syria and Palestine thereby excluding the non-muslim populace.

    The Palestinian National Charter was amended by the PLO’s Palestine National Council in 1968,it redefined “Palestinians” as “those Arab nationals who, until 1947, resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father – whether in Palestine or outside it – is also a Palestinian.” Thereby claiming a dominant populace with non-residents.
    “Arab nationals” is not religious-specific, and it implicitly does not exclude the Christians, Samaritans, Druze and Jews of Palestine who were at that time Arabic-speakers and ancestral natives to the land.
    The Charter also states that “Palestine with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.”

    In 2009, at the request of the PLO, “Jordan revoked the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians to keep them from remaining permanently in the country.”

    In Jordan there is no census data that outlines how many of the inhabitants of Jordan are Palestinians, estimates by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics cite a population range of 50% to 55%.

    According to the Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, the Palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is 97% Muslim and 3% Christian.Forced conversion,religious intolerance,racism and discriminatory laws have reduced what was once a world class diverse society,religious sanctury and ancestral homeland into a third world,segregated and uneducated patchwork of villages that prefer violence to logic,historical revisionism to facts and primitive destruction to modern construction.

    In the areas controlled by the Palestinian National Authority, it is treason to give assistance to Israeli troops or sell land to Jews (irrespective of nationality) and also non-Jewish Israeli citizens under the Palestinian Land Laws. Both crimes are capital offences subject to the death penalty. Likewise, in the Gaza Strip under the Hamas led government, any sort of cooperation or assistance to Israeli forces during military actions is also punishable by death.

    From 1920-1970 Arab and muslim states and territories conducted random persecution and pogroms on their Jewish citizens ,driving 1.2million people from their homes,confiscating over 1 billion dollars in bank accounts and assets and stealing land equal to four times the size of todays Israel .

    The overwhelming archeological,historical,international and legal evidence makes denial of Semitic and Jewish history in Palestine impossible.
    Judaism is the parent of monotheistic religions and as such has a right and responsibility to the birth land of their religion.As Muslims do to Mecca.The intertwining and overlapping of the three religions in Jerusalem are supported in religious text but have very little factual evidence other than a 4000 year trail of Judaic inhabitation.
    The cowardice,failure and greed of the UK ,EU,USAand UN may well have determined the final fate of the Jews in our lifetime.

  11. Mike says:

    “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.” is the truth and I´m happy to see it written and endorsed by so many on TT. Sad makes me the fact that I don’t see our
    nordic politicians or even US etc take this matter to UN ..or just in general openly admit to this . Why don’t Hamas fire rockets on Jordan ?
    I´m sick of Arab myths being spread openly while the truth is not heard !
    One needs a license to drive a scooter in EU but no license to to become MP .
    Its high time that someone educates the MPs so they at least know the very basic facts regarding Islam as they have no idea of for instance ….Sunni,Shia,Sufi,Wahhabi,
    The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas etc.
    I´m tired to death , to be thought by muslims how my history and my politics are.
    Dont I have a right to a opinion at all ?
    Whats worse is that I feel insulted about most of it to the bone .
    At last but not least thank you tundra tabloids for publishing this matter.

  12. Mike says:

    One more matter …most African nations have gone trough changes due to politics
    and so has even parts of Europe .

    Ergo: We all change !

    Why doesn’t Egypt claim all that was theirs during the eras of the pyramids ?
    Or why doesn’t Turkey claim the same ?
    I tell you why : Because of pure antisemitism , nothing else.
    Actually they all live in a world that goes ahead , just like the
    rest of us . With a difference their rules for Jews are not
    the same as to each other.

    Can anyone deny that Israel exists, and that it has arab MPs and is the only democratic nation in the ME ? Yes Hamas does but they live them selfs on
    Egyptian or Osman Imperium or British land , or not ?

    The biggest problem is that the radical Islamist lobby can get ground and become endorsed among illiterate Arabs who’s only education is a Islamic state
    controlled anti american /West TV and some madrasas day in and day out year
    after year …no wonder they become the way they are .

    Naturally they see the things they do because their media feeds this to them !

    If our EU MPs would know and see what they write on a day to day basis they
    would faint ! Somehow the simple dot´s have to be re-connected among us in
    the west so that ME and the Arab nations become de-mystified to our political leadership.

    The only racist agenda is the Arab nations closing the Palestinians into camps
    refusing them medical care , water and electricity !
    Israel has no saying over this but still gets the blame for it .
    These palestinians are made to suffer by their own brothers !

    When will UN acknowledge this fact ?
    The past is already made, but the future is up to us all.

  13. Palestinian says:

    This article is a complete waste of time of the author and readers, most important, my time!
    It is really nice to see how one can lie, and then believe what he’s been telling, while he knows that this was all lies and a propaganda!!
    The only fact I could find in here was that England made it best just to get rid of Jews and threw them in Palestine, other than that it was all crap.
    It is about time that the world wake up and see where the violence come from and where it started from, Palestinians request international aid, only because Israel came and took everything away from them, Israeli stole Palestinian houses, farms, shops; they stole complete furnished houses from their real owners by either killing them or throwing them out, and they’re still doing so.
    only one simple question:
    If it’s really what its so called Israel, then where is it’s culture?! why you can only find Palestinian culture?!
    Hint Hint! be cause there’s nothing as real estate of Israel! it was just made up by England.
    So just leave Palestine for it’s people and enough with all this violence.

    • KGS says:

      Hey Palestinian (Samantha), regurgitating talking points from Ramallah (rather incoherently I might add) is rather fun to watch, experienced readers of this blog know far a fact that you’re full of shit. Turning facts on its ear is par for the course for you types, seeing that your name is Samantha, I take it that you’re a westerner, a leftard westerner to be exact, so that explains the 3rd grade level writing skills.

    • alyn21 says:

      There is no Palestine culture and no Palestine history. And there is no such people as Palestinians.
      All of the archaeological evidence that has been found points to the existence of a Jewish nation on the land.
      Even the so-called Muslim bible has stated that the land belongs to the Jews and that Allah will bring them back when the end of the world has come.
      The amount of evidence disputing the writer’s claims is too much to put into this short space.
      Suffice to say that the claims made are entirely without merit or historical accuracy.

    • tintin says:

      The arabo-islamic world is a huge cesspool which is overflowing over here. I realize this when I read your post, fakestinian. Same liars, same genocidal jew-haters.

    • Lenya says:

      What an imbecile ! What “Palestinian” culture are you speaking about ? Firing rockets into civilian populations ? Machetting women, toddlers and babies ? Preaching hate in your mosques and teaching children how to kill non-Muslims ?
      Teaching hatred in your schools curriculum ? Strapping bombs on women, youth and old men to commit suicidal terrorism ? Wake up and smell the roses you idiot, your culture is no different that every Arab in the middle-East. You are not unique. There are nearly half a billion moon worshippers just like you.

    • Nathan Brazil says:

      Just a bunch of ‘Projection-ist’ B#llsh!t and typical victimhood claims for the tribe of retards with a gene-pool full of 1st cousin ‘tard DNA-rot..

    • NathanBrazil says:

      Sounds like the same old tired garbage spouted by a low functioning, slow-witted simpleton…and clearly a member of the inbred death cult of islHam.

      islam = The Borg without Progress.

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  15. Richard Mather says:

    Dear “Palestinian”, how have you come to the conclusion that there is a Palestinian culture? The concept of Palestinian national identity is a modern invention, created in the 1960s. Before that, the land of Palestine/Eretz Israel was made up of Jews and several Arab nationalities. Many of these Arabs arrived at the same time – or even after – the first Zionist settlers. Historically, the Jewish people have the closest connection to the land. The Jews were in ‘Palestine’ well before it was invaded by Muslim Arabs. The Jews have maintained a presence in the land for three thousand years and many Diaspora Jews have yearned to return to Israel ever since the Romans sacked Jerusalem and demolished the Temple. If there is such a thing as Palestinian culture, it is not worth having. Who in their right mind wants a culture that promotes anti-Semitic violence and regurgitates the same useless myths of victimhood and Western oppression? As for where all the violence “came from”, I think you’ll find that most of the violence was committed by Muslims against Jews e.g. the Hebron massacre. And also bear in mind that there would not be any need for international aid if a) the Arabs had accepted the partition plan; b) the Arabs hadn’t invaded Israel in 1948 and c) if the neighboring Arab nations had integrated the refugees in the same way Israel had to integrate around 700,000 Jewish refugees kicked out of Arab countries for the crime of being Jewish.

  16. bjorn Swede says:

    i wonder how Hitler would react now that his Nazis are helping the jews?

    • KGS says:

      Slinging labels around without a care for accuracy makes you a fool.

    • Heikki Polojärvi says:

      I never cease to wonder how blind all the leftist propaganda can make some people? Would it be so hard to find out of things by yourself instead of just absorbing everything youre told?

  17. Big Gatsby says:

    A good extension to this post can be found here:

  18. Marty says:

    What are these miserable arabs doing in Israel anyway? Who invited them? They invaded 1300 years ago and immediately destroyed the economy, culture, and infrastructure of the country. It remained just andother a poverty-stricken province of islam until Jews reclaimed the region. Since their return Israel has been prosperous and democratic. palestinians are not a nation and do not deserve a state.

  19. tintin says:

    Dear KGS

    In my opinion what follows should be said again and again (may be in other more concise, more accurate form) for example before your first post of the day, in order to somehow install a basic truth.

    The Arabs occupy a lot of other peoples since the 7th century. The nature of their rule never changes: ethnic and religious cleansing. It’s still going on under your eyes.
    In 1925 the Chaldeans (non Arabs, non Muslims) were a majority in Iraq (British census); less than 1% today. Same for the Copts in Egypt, the Tamazight in Morocco, the Kabyles in Algeria. The black peoples of Africa (Sudan, Mauritania, Zanzibar etc) are enslaved by the Arab occupiers. WHAT DO WE DO FOR ALL THESE PEOPLES? The Jews were, by millions, indigenous to the region 2,000 years before the Arab occupation; today the “Arab World” is completely judenrein.
    The Arab occupation is NOT the result of any external aggression. It is a murderous invasion they proudly call “the Arab conquest”. The worst predators this planet has ever seen …. And besides, they turned the countries they occupied into a huge cesspool.

  20. We should all remember that the division of the Palestine Mandate at the Jordan River was done by Winston Churchill when he handed over the land to Abdullah as a state for the Muslims. The balance of the land was property that belonged to the Jewis state, later called Israel in 1948. Muslims have no actual claim to the land under western laws, but the Koran tells a different story. That story is especially significant to westerners and Islamic immigration. Under the laws of the Koran (Shariah) wherever Muslims reside that land belongs to them. Barack Hussein Obama stated that “America is one of the largest Muslim nations in the world.” You, as infidels, did not understand what he meant because what he meant had particular meaning to Muslims worldwide: Muslims live in the west and India. That means under Koran law your lands no longer belong to Christians, Jews and Hindus. That spirit of Islam should tell all Americans that Obama is a closet Muslim who perhaps believes he is the Mahdi, or Hidden Imam, or simply a Saudi plant in America. Not a lot of his history makes any sense. How did he get back to America? Born of a Muslim he is a Muslim under the laws of Shariah. He can only be one of two things: An apsotate of Islam that needs to be killed for converting to Christianity, or a closet Muslim. I state only logic and understanding of Shariah. Western liberal-leftism and Christian ideology is irrelevant where Islam and Muslims are concerned.

  21. HeiligensErzengel says:

    Philistines came according to historians about 1200 BC to the coast of the Eastern Med, todays Gaza and parts of todays Israel. They were seafarers and started to settle there in a region just some tiny areas more than todays Gaza… Goliath was one of them.

    The story of King David who fought them when he was a youngster according to the Bible and got them later as his personal Guardians showed a bit the history. They came as enemies and started to become friends – most of them. Some were fought, some left to their homecountries in the Med (possibly Crete). Most of them assimilated into the regions – mainly Judean tribes ……. NEVER DID HAVE THE PHILISTINES HAD THE REGION CONQUERED WHICH WAS NAMED LATER AFTER THEM.

    Palestine is the Roman Emperors word for them. Roman Dictators used the term against the Israelis in the invain hope that the new name would destruct the Jewish self confidence and their wish to resettle a kingdom of their own again.

    Later many used the term for regions by far to wide of the historian sites on which Philistines once settled as a tribe from about 1200 to about 800 BC. The word was abused even more than it was already abusivley used by Romans ……
    It became also ectensively used by the later Conquerors – the Muslims for reasons of hiding them behind this word – not to be seen as the cruel and bloody emperors and brutal colonialists and enslavers they became in the region.

    That Israelis won land back is a bit as if North American Indian tribes did win land of their ancestors back from the Invaders.

    Israel was never historical homeland of main Arab tribes.

    Arabs mainly dwelled on the Arab Peninsula only some tribes did settle in the Southern regions of Israel….. they even had tooken the religions of the regions they came into …… all this changed with the Muslim invasions.

    First one as early as 628 AC. Which means that this raid happened to Mohammeds lifetime.

  22. Anne says:

    On the subject of “Palestinian culture” – Many of the inhabitants of the land were Jews and non-Arab Christians and Druze, forced or coerced into converting to Islam. Arabic is not an indigenous language to any land but Arabia. Arabic Muslim conquest was achieved only through violent means which would clearly define Arabic/Muslim culture as imperialism in the worst sense of the word. Other “Palestinians” were migrant workers who came to British mandated Palestine to work and for a better life since life under Arab and Arabized rulers was as truly hideous as it was under the Ottoman Empire.

    The Hashemites were from Saudi Arabia and not “Palestinian” at all but were given the land meant for the non-Jewish people when partition took place. They got the lion’s share and the best part — the Jews got a fraction and mostly dry arid, “unproductive” land. Will wonders never cease: the Jews turned their dry, arid sliver of land into a Garden of Eden and the Hashemites and their Arabized inhabitants turned their large, good, green land into just another Middle Eastern garbage dump. Funny how things turn out, isn’t it?

    Well, it is now January 2014, and the Hashemite Kingdom is about to disappear. Even the King says so. Eighty percent of its inhabitants are “Palestinian”, and from what I hear, they hate the King and want to make a few changes. Jordan will become their official home and when it does, the whole situation will change. The P.A. will disappear, as Mahmoud Abbas will join Arafat (courtesy of his own people and Hamas), and Hamas will be defeated by the Egyptian military. The “Palestinians” in Syria are starving to death thanks to Assad and the Islamists, and in Libya, Lebanon and God knows where else, “Palestinians” are so hated by their neighbors, I wonder if they too will not vanish from the earth without so much as a peep from their “supporters” in the West.


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  25. YJ Draiman says:

    Here is some information that you need to know about the Arab/Palestinians.
    There never has been, there is not now and there never will be a country called “Palestine.”
    The Arab/Palestinians/Moslems squatting on Jewish land in and around Israel are overwhelmingly either descendants of invaders, illegal immigrants or trespassers.
    The term “Palestinian” was popularized after the Six Day War in ’67 in an attempt to delegitimize Israel.
    There are already 21 Arab/Moslem dominated countries spread out over a few millions square miles of territory, including most of Jordan which was part of the Jewish allocated land under the League of Nations in 1922. It also stated that the Jewish people are to set up their own government and none other. The Arabs also ejected close to a million Jewish people from their countries and confiscated their homes and assets, about a third of the Jewish people died while leaving the Arab countries.
    The Arab/Moslems are not interested in creating a 22nd Arab controlled country.
    Their only desire is to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.
    “And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel “Dwell securely in the land (of … (Holy Quran 17:104).
    (Surah Al-Ma’ida, verse 21), and the other (Surah Al-Shara’a, verse 59) says that the land was bequeathed to the Jews.
    Under International Law and Treaties – An Arab/Palestinian State cannot be established in Israel on Jewish land allocated to the Jewish people under the San Remo agreement of 1922 and ratified by the League of Nations and signed by 51 member states.

    Jordan is the Palestinian State – The land originally allocated to the Jewish people,
    The British violated the agreement and gave it to the Arabs.
    YJ Draiman

    • Steven Trop says:

      The Balfour Declaration envisioned a Jewish State in Palestine amendable to the majority Arab community. In the end it’s maybe not what all Jews wanted, but a Jew myself, I think we’re damn lucky to have gotten what we did. Taking other peoples land to fulfill some ancient biblical prophecy, we’re risk blowing the whole deal.

  26. Steven Trop says:

    Jordan as the Arab i.e.”Palestinian State” according to the British Mandate is true, up until 1937 when, as a result of hostilities between Jews, Palestinian’s and Hashemite’s, the U.N. Peel Commission created The Arab State, what we know as the 1948 borders, the West Bank, Gaza and occupied territories today. Overlooking the fact the Hashemite King hated the Palestinian majority as much as the Jews hated them, creating a Third State was the logical solution. Rejecting it then (who wouldn’t?), today Palestinian’s, worn down from decades of conflict and misery, are willing to accept it. Drawing the lines of this conflict, creating this mess in the first place, the least the International Community (England and the U.S.) could do is make sure they get it.

  27. Firstly, how genuine is the claim of “the Palestinian people” to any part of the territory between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea? Numerous censuses held by the Ottomans from the early 1800s until the end of the First World War, and by the British during the “Mandate” period (from the end of WW1 until 1948) , all reveal that the majority of the population has always been Jewish—when General Allenby took possession of it in the name of Great Britain, there were only about 5,000 Arabs living here; yet about two million persons today claim to be “Palestinian Arabs”! On top of that, eyewitness testimony exists, in the form of Mark Twain’s book “The Innocents Abroad; or, The New Pilgrim’s Progress” (published in 1869), in which he describes his own personal observations during the trip he made to Europe and the “Holy Land” in 1867 and waxes eloquent about how EMPTY the latter was at that time. Where was the “Palestinian people” then? Had they all gone away on their holidays that week? Twain certainly didn’t see any sign of them. “The Innocents Abroad” is available free in various electronic formats at the Project Gutenberg website, the web address is:

    and I would encourage anyone who is injterested to download a copy and read the relevant chapters for himself.

    The Revd. Samuel Manning, a christian clergyman, also visited in 1874 and wrote: “…But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude… Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter: ‘the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants’.”

    Secondly, it may be regrettable, but it’s a fact of life that wars inevitably end with one side being defeated and forced into capitulation by the military might of the other side. Germany surrendered to the Allies in Europe in May 1945 and, in August later that same year, Japan did likewise in the Pacific. The British Commonwealth, the United States and Russia would still be at war with the Axis Powers were it not for Germany’s and Japan’s respective unconditional surrenders. The war between Israel and those who call themselves “Palestinians”, however, drags on and on, erupting from time to time into open hostilities; and why?—because every time Israel comes close to winning and finally putting an end to the war, the poor hardly-done-by Arabs go crying to the United Nations, the European Union and anyone else who will listen to them, and pressure is brought on Israel to stop short of its final aim which is, after all, just the right for its citizens to live in safety and security without having constantly to be staring at the sky wondering when a massive flying bomb is going to come from nowhere and maim or even kill their children while they sleep in their beds, or having to live in constant fear that a gang of murderers will emerge from a hidden tunnel and kidnap or kill those children. Let nobody forget, too, that the so-called “Palestinians” ARE the “guilty party” in that it is THEY who have _NEVER_ stopped attacking Israel by firing huge numbers of rockets with high explosive payloads towards civilian targets (which in itself is a war-crime). How can anyone expect the Middle East dispute to end as long as possibly well-meaning but very misguided bleeding-heart liberals keep interfering and intervening and PREVENTING it being settled in the only way wars have ever been settled throughout history?

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