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No Moderate Islam…….

There is a good reason why the Tundra Tabloids’ side bar contains the following statement:

“The Islamic religion in its purest (political) form is totalitarian in nature and therefore anti-democratic. We speak about the meaning of the word “moderate” in relation to Islam and find it as something no longer holding any meaning. The reason for this is simple: many so-called “moderates” have been praised in the west, only later being found to have been supporting jihad against non-Muslims from the very beginning.”


The Baron posts at the Gates of Vienna: “There Is No Moderate Islam”: “Apparently, however, he’s sick of the “moderate” label being bandied about. He’d like to remind everybody that, just as there is only one Allah, there is only one Islam. None of this “moderate” crap for him!”

Concerning the supposedly moderate Erdoğan, I am reminded of Daniel Pipes own blog post from 2004: Erdoğan: “Turkey Is Not a Country Where Moderate Islam Prevails”

“Reacting to the term, “moderate Islam,” Erdoğan stated,

Turkey is not a country where moderate Islam prevails. This expression is wrong. The word Islam is uninflected, it is only Islam. If you say moderate Islam, then an alternative is created, and that is immoderate Islam. As a Muslim, I can’t accept such a concept. Islam rejects extreme concepts. I am not an extreme Muslim. We are Muslims who have found a middle road.”

So, who are we kidding here if not ourselves, when the Prime minister of Turkey himslef, openly states on numerous occasions that “there is no such thing as moderate Islam”? Like I stated before, “The Muslims we look to with hope are the “modernists”, who truly believe in liberal democracy such that Islam should be a matter of personal faith, not politics.” *L* KGS

9 Responses

  1. If this is not anti-islamic babbling, then what is?

    As well as Bible, Quran can also be used for either good or bad or both.

    This is probably why people don’t want to argue with the author of this blog. If every attempt to sympathize with arabs or islamic people is met with contempt. It really doesn’t count for meaningful argue.

  2. Jaakko,
    I believe that your statements reflects a deep-seated ignorance of the subject material.

    To accuse me of “anti-Islamic babbling” though you choose to refrain from doing so in regards to the Islamist Turkish PM Erdogan…. speaks volumes.

    Remember, this is a man who refuses to label himself “a moderate”, while the West heaps the same epithet upon him time and again.

    Now since you brought the subject up, accusing me of “anti-Islamic babbling, it’s up to you to explain in detail, how you came to that conclusion. Failure to do so, shows me and everyone else reading this blog that your statement was an emotional response, not based on logic or sound reasoning.

    Yes the Bible contains troubling language, but trying to compare the two books, the Qu’ran and the Hebrew and Christian testaments, as well as how they are understood by the adherents of the religions, is comparable to the comparison of an apple with an orange.

    It’s a rather lazy assertion to claim (by default) that the books of all three religions contain the same highly inflamed language, and are understood in the same exact way, and therefore, all can be used “for good and bad”.

    The problem with that logic, is that it excuses the deep differences in the histories of all three religions. The former shows great resilience to resist any attempt at reformation, while the latter two religions have.

    Neither of the latter two religions have religious role models, that exhorts its followers to wage an eternal war until the non-believers have been either vanquished or convertered to their faith. These are the troubling aspects of Islamic religion, and it doesn’t help the debate by throwing “knee-jerk” labels of anti-Islamic babbling, and by default, bigotry.

    Your words truly appear to be shallow, when judged in the light of Islam’s extreme intolerance being shown around the world. Their actions (the overwhelming outrages in and around the Islamic world) speak louder than any attempt to compare the holy book of the Amish with that of the Salafist/Whabbists. Any attempt at reform (moderation) of Islam, is shouted down with cries of it being “un-Islamic”. The recent statements from the Turkish PM (that reaffirm his prior statements), only serve to underline my point. Denying that reality, is pure foolishness on your part.

    I have no problem with sympathizing with Arabs, I do have a problem however, with those who strictly apologize for the Muslim Arabs’ beliefs and actions, and demand that others refrain from any form of criticism. Speaking about subjects you are not totally familiar with, or a refusal to admit the very hard truths of what an unreformed Islam poses for all humankind…..is not wise.

    I’m always ready for meaningful debate, but if your idea for such a debate demands that the other to alter the POV’s without being proved wrong first……have a nice day.

  3. Vasankari can perhaps indicate what are the exact statements in this blog that are anti-Islamistic, can’t you?

    I checked Vasankari’s blog, and well… I don’t want to get personal, so I just say, that socialism seems to offer solution for every problem he sees. And every problem is a result of the world not being socialistic.

    To me it is still a mystery how socialists keep believing, that ALL problems could be solved by their rules without creating NEW and BIGGER ones. To share Vasankari’s world view as the only correct one is a scary idea.

    Vasankari may very well sympathise with Arabs and Islamistic people, but he has to do it with his own money – as long as he wants to do it with his way. If Vasankari wants to spend my money in his study to Islam, he has to understand, that I may have some demands how my money is spent. This is called democracy – this is why democracy works better than socialism.

    To make it clear to Vasanakari; if you want to spend my money on your personal introduction into Islamistic world, I want you to explain them, they are not welcome to my home country unless they obey our laws – you can tell them they can keep their God, but our law goes above their God. You can tell them, that they can very well expect me to follow their laws if I visited they country – and that I understand in their country God is the law.

    Well Vasankari got too much of my attention at the early morning hours, as I don’t think he can understand the meaning of one truth only. He seems to live too deep in it himself.

  4. First of all you wrote that there is no moderate islam. I’ve met those moderate and even secularistic people, who still identife themselves as islamic.

    When it comes to Erdogan, I’m not really a big fan of trying to combine religion and politics.

    What I didn’ say, was that Quran, Bible and Tanakh (old testament) are the same book, but they have very much in common. Bible includes the old testament and Quran includes many stories from the bible. I didn’t even try to compare the languange used in these mentioned three books.

    Islam has many reformists. Two of the main schools being the Shia and the Sunni. Although there even larger group of individual schools that can be categorised academically. Arguing that one can speak on behalf of over a one billion other people is like saying that all islamic people are bad to the bone. Erdogan still speaks on his behalf and to some extent, on behalf of his supporters.

    But if you like your blog readers to think that my conclusion was rather emotional than rational, I can give you that satisfaction. My response was emotional and rational.

    Still don’t understand me wrong, I’m not saying that warmongers of Islam are right, I’m just saying that’s not the whole truth.

    Kumitonttu: Yes, you can say that I’m a sort of a socialist. But you truly understand me wrong if you think that my truth is the only truth, or that I think I have the truth. I’m just a seeker of truth, which I’ll probaply never find. Probably because I have some sense of semantics and relativism. I’m not even saying that I could solve all the world’s problems. I’m just giving a try.

    Probably we do disagree on definition of socialism. I don’t see how it’s opposite of democracy. Socialism is democracy in economics as it is in social interaction. My opinion is that community should decide how they want to spend their resources democratically. If the community doesn’t want to study (using your example) Islam, it can decide so, and everyone should get their say in things.

    What I like to say people living in this country, is that a bad law is better than no law at all. People can believe in gods or flying spaghetti monsters.

    Sorry for taking so much of your attention so early. But that’s all for now. I’ll go back mouring in my own truth.

  5. A Muslim person can cry “moderate” all he or she wants to, “–the proof in the pudding is in the eating–” I doubt seriously whether you challenged any of your Muslim acquaintances about their beliefs on Mohamed. That, more than anything else will tell you whether or not a modernist Muslim is in your midst, or just another Muslim dangerously locked in the 7th century, who refuses to challenge the immoral writings and actions of his/her prophet.

    I suggest that you reread the portion in my side bar, that spells out my POV on “modernists” and so called “moderates”. Perhaps you have indeed met a modernist Muslim/s, that is to be commended. On more than a few occasions, when the more “modern minded” Muslims become increasingly aware of the behavior of their “perfect role model” Mohamed, and how it contrasts with the civil/moral codes of the present day, they do in fact become secular, atheists or convert to other religions. OR, they choose to turn a blind eye to the parts that are in conflict with the present day western code of morality.

    These Muslims pose the greatest risk, refusing to break ranks with those leaders who continue to deny that there is a problem within Islam. While appearing to condemn terrorism, they use a double speak language that sounds like a rejection of violence, but it actually just condones violence done to Muslims. I dare ask you to go into any Mosque here in Finland, and ask whether or not terrorism committed against Israeli Jews is ever justifiable. Aks whether or not they think that Judaism and Christianity as religious beliefs, should enjoy equal status in a majority Muslim country as they do in the west?

    I am confused by what you mean “Islam has many reformists. Two of the main schools being the Shia and the Sunni.” Shi’ism and Sunnism are the two main branches of Islam, nothing more. Any attempts at reform, are more likely to to evolve from the Sufi branch of Sunni Islam, but since many within Islam deem the Sufis to be something close to apostates, (too mystical, being deemed as a sort of witch craft) its going to be a tough sell for them to have any major impact.

    Please, Jaakko, are you speaking from the gut or from facts, when you talk about reformists? Just who are these reformists, besides the silver tongued, chief practioner of Islamic taqqiya, Tariq Ramadan? Who are all these reformists you allude to? Also of importance, in what great way are these reformists being heeded?

    Concerning the Qur’an and the Bible. Though the Qur’an includes sections of the Tanachk and the Christian New Testament, Islam claims that these books were corrupted by the Jews and the Christians, that all of the prophets and holy people mentioned in these books were Muslims, and denies that Judaism and Christianity are two different set of beliefs. They are “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK”, not people of their own books. What you tired to do, was to say in a general “lazy way”, that all books can be used for good and bad, and all have done it, etc etc.

    No one here is arguing that Christinity or Judaism are scott free in the blame dept., but what you again over look, is the revulsion of most Muslims, to confront the violence that their “perfect role model” Mohamed exhorts the true faithfull of Islam to wage on the unbeliever. No figure exists in Christianity or in Judaism that calls for the faithfull to wage war until the infidel are either vanquished or converted. Islam does.

    That will define whether or not a Muslim is a true modernist or a pretend “moderate”, with the latter becoming a mere joke of a label. Whether or not Erdogan speaks for the majority or not, one thing remains cyrstal clear, the so called “MODERATES” definately do not speak for the overwhelming majority of Islam. The modernists that do, do so in fear of their lives, with most taking residence in the west, and being very discouraged by the ignorance of the west, by the habitual “backing of the wrong horse” time and again.

    The photo of (choke, gag, wheeze, moderate) Sami Al-Arian and family standing next to GW Bush, all the while he was funneling money to Islamic Jihad….underlines my point. *L* KGS

  6. Correction: “While appearing to condemn terrorism, they use a double speak language that sounds like a rejection of violence, but it actually just condemns violence done to Muslims.”

  7. Yes indeed. My point exactly is that you don’t care what people are saying if they are talking about being moderate or radical. You assume that they cannot be. I’m not trying to say that your logic goes in circles, I’m saying that people can be muslims by habbit or people can be muslims interpreting Quran differently. Muslims are not people on a killing spree.

    And what comes to bible or the old testament. There are killings. Jesus talks in the Gospel of Matthews, that he’s not coming in peace but in war. Old testament is by far including a very aggressive tone sometimes, but it doesn’t mean that people identifying themselves as Christians would take it literally no more than all the muslims are taking Quran literally. Jihad can be interpreted in many ways. It can be interpreted as a war against non-muslims or it can mean inner-struggle. Basically Jihad is against Satan. So it can be interpreted as sustaining yourself from the earthly pleasures as much as it can be interpreted as going out and fighting for god.

    Some muslims even think Islam is basically a socialistic religion as it is giving so much thought for charity.

    You have to be open minded when your talking about a group estimated to be in size somewhere between 1 and 2 billion people. That’s, depending on the estimate, about one-sixth to one-third of the world population.

    What it comes to denying that muslims can’t be truthful when they are saying that they are moderate. If you use one example saying that one muslim is lying, it doesn’t mean all of them are. You have to give every single one on this planet a chance. You can’t even presume that people are saying things because they are afraid.

    If you think somebody is deceitful, give them a chance to be deceitful.

  8. Interesting. You are still wandering around on the periphery, without actually coming into the center of the issue. I have been stating all along that the term “moderate” no longer holds any meaning. It doesn’t. The only set of Muslim folks that show the west and the rest of the Middle East any hope at all, are those who consider the values of the modern age as the correct course to follow, I call them MODERNISTS.

    These modernists have modified their Muslim belief system to such an extent that, what they now believe, is no longer in conflict with western values and pluralistic democracy. These modernists reject the notion that sharia (Islamic law) has any rightful place in society, that women are free to chose their own role in society, and that regradless of their views on homosexuality, they will not condone the discrimination or victimization of that group.

    Concerning the Tanach, no one is denying that there are killings, that’s not being denied here. You are again mixing apples with oranges. It is well understood by the overwhelming majority (99.9%) of Jews, that Abraham & Moses reflect the time period in which they lived. As an example, no Jew today, is calling for the stoning of women adulterers. As for the Christian New Testament, I am under the impression that when Jesus was speaking about swords, he wasn’t speaking in terms of blood letting, but that his words would cause division in families and between friends.

    As far as I know, his whole 3 year ministry was based on the point that, he was not setting up a kingdom on earth, hence the phrase: render things of this world unto Ceaser, and the things that be of Lord unto the Lord. If I am worng on that count, please point me to the scholars that you are aware of, that prove Jesus and his immediate followers were trying to pyhsically remove Roman rule.

    Jaakko: “Old testament is by far including a very aggressive tone sometimes, but it doesn’t mean that people identifying themselves as Christians would take it literally no more than all the muslims are taking Quran literally.”

    How wrong you are. Serious minded Muslims DO IN FACT take the word of the Qur’an very literally. There is no individual interpritation of the Qur’an as there is in Judaism and Christianity. The reason being, for Jews and Christians, it’s understood about the human hand involved in the writing of their holy texts, but in Islam, the Qur’an, it’s strictly understood that Mohamed did not think on the words he was writing down (or by others who wrotew for him) but that the Qur’an in its entirety, was a product of their God from beginning to the end.

    As for jihad, the overwhelming number of referrences to jihad in the Qur’an, are in the context of war, not “personal struggle” with the percentage being about 95 / 5. I find it interesting that those Muslims who do in fact believe every word of the Qur’an find it amazingly difficult to prove the jihadis ….wrong, and end up being themselves declared opastates. Next time a jihadi is involved in an act of terrorism, read closely what passages he reads from, and see if any “moderate” Muslim dares to openly contradict his views on any given passage taken from the Qur’an.

    Interestingly enough, you mention socialism and Islam in the same sentence. I believe that is one of the main reasons the Left finds it so hard to see the dangers Islam poses, hence the “knee jerk” reaction by some of the worst Leftist apologists for Islamic barbarity. That’s why Leftist protestors could be seen marching the streets with banners reading….”We are all Hezbollah”.

    When it comes to “truthfullness”, you again misunderstand the whole issue. These Muslims who claim moderation (and their naive non-Muslims supporters) really do believe that they’re moderates, in spite of the fact that they will reject the notion that SHARIA is not an outmoded, not applicable moral code for our present modern-day society. Therefore, Muslims you may meet who are very secular, have already proven themselves to be not greatly interested in their holy texts, so their being “moderate” is not really a good example.

    Muslims in the third world (which make up the overwhelming majority of Islam) are very much attached to the Qur’an, whether through social structures and public pressures, or personal attachement. They are the ones that speak for Islam and determine its direction. I don’t believe that they would ever reject sharia as having a place in their societies. Seeing that the majority of Muslims immigrating to Europe are from third world countries, you should be very much alarmed by what they really do believe. Seeing that their birth rates exceed that of the host countries, their offspring, will one day be ruling Europe. If you’re progressive as I think you are……that will be one major wake up call.

  9. The “peaceful” religion:

    Islam
    Bukhari:V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”

    Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

    Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    Qur’an 9:111 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

    Ishaq:324 “Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.”

    Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

    Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

    Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

    Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’”

    Not convinced? Here are five passages from Islam’s holy books focused on terror. It’s important that you know who the terrorists really are and why they kill.

    Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

    Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

    Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them,so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

    Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

    Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”

    Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

    That last quote was particularly harsh. The first confession was stunningly bold. And the verse from Qur’an 8:57 explained the motivations behind yesterday’s horror. But we are not done.

    The next group of ten Islamic Qur’an and Hadith passages are focused on the torturous behaviors associated with Islamic holy war. While you say that we are not at war with Islam, it’s clear that they are at war with us. And if you are not defending our nation from those who are warring with us, what, pray tell, are you doing?

    Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’” (Qur’an 5:72 defines “infidels” as “Christians” in case you were wondering)

    Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

    Qur’an 8:15 “Believers, when you meet unbelieving infidels in battle while you are marching for war, never turn your backs to them. If any turns his back on such a day, unless it be in a stratagem of war, a maneuver to rally his side, he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge!”

    Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can escape. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

    Qur’an 8:60 “And make ready against the infidels all of the power you can, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy. And whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause shall be repaid unto you.” [Another translation reads:] “Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them.”

    Qur’an 8:71 “He will give you mastery over them.”

    Ishaq:322 “Allah said, ‘Do not turn away from Muhammad when he is speaking to you. Do not contradict his orders. And do not be a hypocrite, one who pretends to be obedient to him and then disobeys him. Those who do so will receive My vengeance. You must respond to the Apostle when he summons you to war.”

    Ishaq:204 “‘Men, doyou know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to Muhammad we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”

    Ishaq:471 “We are steadfast trusting Him. We have a Prophet by whom we will conquer all men.”

    Qur’an 4:77 “Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?”

    In our brief tour of the Islamic scriptures, it’s time to focus on the true nature of Jihad. I’m going to end this list with a footnote the Fahd family of Islamic warlords tyrannizing Saudi Arabia, put in the Qur’an they published for the English speaking market so that Saudi’s might be motivated to terrorize us. The passage is available in every American mosque.

    Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”

    Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah’s Cause.’”

    Qur’an 33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”

    Bukhari:V4B53N412 “Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’”

    Qur’an 4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit. Allah prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

    Qur’an 47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

    Qur’an 2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.”

    Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has theright to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”

    The verse from Qur’an 33:22 explains why there are suicide bombers. The verse from Qur’an 47:4 explains what happened in Mogadishu and in Fallujah.

    According to Allah’s Qur’an, it is impossible to be a peaceful Muslim. That is why they celebrate death.

    Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

    Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

    Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”

    Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

    It’s time you discovered why it’s not possible to be a good Muslim and a peaceful person. Yes it’s true, all Muslims aren’t terrorists—only the good ones are.

    Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We [Allah] have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”

    Qur’an 48:17 “There is no blame for the blind, nor is it a sin for the lame, nor on one ill if he joins not in the fighting. But he who retreats, (Allah) will punish him with a painful doom.”

    Qur’an 4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’” Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the way.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but…] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

    http://journals.aol.com/lily990016/Pissoffliberals/entries/2005/07/08/the-peaceful-religion-islam/1232

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