This is a very good interview, but there are a few points made by Mirzo in the interview that are in need of correcting…
One is that ”a Christian could possibly become radicalized by reading the Torah (Old Testament/Five Books of Moses), and that Islam is in need of a reformation”. First of all, the Torah is descriptive, not prescriptive like the koran, and while some of the commands given by Moses that run counter to today’s understanding of law and compassion, they haven’t been enforced for over 2000 years. Time to put that nonsense -which is used to deflect from Islam’s true and present nature- to rest once and for all.
Secondly is the notion that Islam can be reformed. It can’t however, and still remain Islam. The chronological order of the koran, and most importantly, the koranic doctrine of abrogation totally spare the Mohammedan cult from ever being ”reformed”. It’s just a fact that needs to be accepted.
Please read this piece, it’s well worth the time regardless of some of her errors. Courageous woman.
–“Islamization is not a question of if, but a question of when”
Islam does not fit in with Europe, writes Laila Mirzo in her now-published book. The Islam expert warns against jihad, sharia, and Islamization in Germany. In an interview, she explains why liberal Islam has little chance against the forces of violence
Laila Mirzo is a trainer for intercultural competence and, as an expert on Islam, draws attention to the dangers of a conservatively practiced Islam. As the daughter of a German mother and a Syrian-Kurdish father she came to Bavaria at the age of eleven. Since 2002 Mirzo lives in Austria. The author converted to Christianity in 2007.
Ms. Mirzo, in your book “Only a bad Muslim is a good Muslim,” you represent a thesis, as well as Thilo Sarrazin in his new book represents: Islam does not fit with Europe. Why?
Because non-Reformed Islam always means Sharia. They only need to ask every devout Muslim. Sharia is the manual for Islam, and it did not simply fall from heaven, but is derived from the holy scripture of Islam, the Koran. Sharia is a radical social order governing all public and private life. It legitimizes the oppression of women, the hatred of Jews or homosexuals or the brutal circumcision, even the mutilation of female babies. All this happens not only somewhere in distant countries, but sometimes also in Germany. How should this be compatible with the European values of humanism, the rule of law and equal rights?
But now there is a majority of liberal Muslims in Germany. Do not they count?
I do not dispute that many Muslims are liberal. But the so-called European Islam is unfortunately too weak. He is far from having a majority representation. On the contrary, reform mosques like that of women’s rights activist Seyran Ates are the exception. Instead of a reform of Islam, we are seeing more and more of an Islam-conforming Europe that is falling apart before the orthodox Muslims. Where one accepts that a man refuses a handshake from a woman, that girls are not allowed to take swimming lessons, and that schools purchase burkinis. Unfortunately, this only increases the pressure on liberal Muslims.
How can you imagine that?
This can be felt quite concretely in everyday situations. Pressure is exerted on the parents, who leave their daughters without a headscarf in the public or participate in swimming lessons in swimsuits. But also from other adolescents. At many schools, an Islamist youth culture has developed among male teenagers, a generation of “haram” who take Sharia by example and harass classmates. But the local Islamic associations are also putting pressure on them, which of course they would never admit publicly. Many liberal believers throw them into the dilemma of not seeming to be a good Muslim anymore if they want to give up their headscarves or live out their homosexuality. All this culminates in the honor killings, which are not uncommon in Germany.
Where do we encounter Sharia in Germany?
Probably the most striking in Wuppertal in 2014, when a self-proclaimed “Sharia Police” patrolled the streets. Some German districts have so-called justice of the peace, which are used in family and divorce issues. These are self-proclaimed judges without legal training and state legitimacy. The former ARD journalist and lawyer Joachim Wagner describes these machinations in his book “Richter ohne Gesetz” with examples from Berlin, Essen or Bremen. There are mosques in which secretly many are closed. The children from these forbidden second and third homes are being fed by the state. That’s systematic social fraud. For example, if a woman wants to get divorced because of marriage violence: The case of hardship does not seem to be taken for granted, because chastisement to Islam belongs to it. This is a capitulation of the rule of law before Sharia law. There must be no cultural discount.
What influence does that have on us and the German majority society?
First of all, there is the perceived insecurity among women: what am I allowed to do now, is this dress going at this time? Women start to regiment themselves so they do not become victims themselves. On the other hand, I see a self-imposed muzzle. If a party were founded that only gives women half the right to vote, excludes homosexuals and Jews from the outset and kills dropouts – we would never tolerate such a thing! But that very ideology comes disguised as religion, and that’s why we mistakenly believe we should not criticize it.
The Islamic scholar Mouhanad Khorchide still stands for an open Islam . He sees potentials of love and mercy. What do you reply to him?
Even if I sweep the whole of the violence-glorifying Suras, besides the Qur’an as the pillar of Islam, there is still Muhammad and his life, which is almost as important and permeated with political violence and subjugation. Of course, I also hope for reforms, but you have to distance yourself from Muhammad’s crimes. It takes a sacral regicide on the figure of the Prophet. Problem here: the creed invariably relies on him.
But are not you emphasizing too strongly the violence-glorifying Suras in the Koran and denying the peaceful ones their rights?
I do not do that. The problem with the peaceful verse is in the construction of the Koran. The Koran can be read as an evolution of violence. It is roughly divided into two parts: the Mecca Quran and the Medina Qur’an. In the beginning, Mekka starts harmlessly with Muhammad’s sermons, and the bigger and more influential the community became in Medina, the more radical and intolerant it becomes. As a result, many surprises contradict each other. First, for example, it is demanded that no one can be forced to believe, then the death of the unbelievers is demanded. But what is binding now? This is where the so-called abrogation comes into play: it is only the later verse that counts. That is, any preceding more peaceful surah is potentially “abrogated” by a later more radical, that is, abolished.
Cosmopolitan verses from the Koran are only half the story?
In most cases, yes! This makes me angry when outsiders only ever throw Koranic tricks in which brotherhood between Christians, Jews and Muslims is propagated and killing is forbidden. But that is incredibly wrong! And after each act of terror the same lyre: All this has nothing to do with Islam. If I hear that, it’s like denying the Holocaust to me! The Islamic umbrella organizations should actually stand up and say: Yes, this killing has to do with Islam! Instead, you bring out Sura 5 verse 32: “Whoever kills a man, kills all of humanity.”
What’s wrong with this verse?
He’s taken out of context. It is actually addressed explicitly to the Jews, the verse comes from the Torah. The prohibition of killing therefore applies only to the Jews, not to the Muslims. Muslims are not allowed to kill Muslims, but infidels. And even if one wishes to ignore this context, the abrogation immediately takes up the next verse: “Behold, the reward of those who mortify Allah and His messenger is (…) only that they are killed or crucified, or mutilated in hands and feet or being driven out of the country. “Thus, a Muslim may kill an unbeliever at any time. And in paradise he reaps his reward for it.
The permission to kill, a Christian could that get out of the Old Testament. Do not you see the danger of putting a whole community under general suspicion?
I hope I did not do that with my book. I distinguish between liberal Muslims and Orthodox faithful Muslims. The loyalists are causing problems, and that’s something you have to name. Of course, a Christian can radicalize himself by reading the Bible too literally. However, there is a crucial difference between Christianity and Islam: one religion has undergone the Enlightenment, the other has stopped culturally in the 7th century.
And such a mentality requires the jihad of its followers, as they write in their book. What does that mean?
Islam divides the world in two halves: a house of Islam and a house of war. The latter includes those areas where Islam is not yet state religion. The Koran explicitly dictates jihad, it is the secret sixth pillar of Islam. If you want to be a good Muslim, you also support the “little jihad” to eventually turn the world completely into a house of Islam. The small jihad is not like the big jihad, which is a kind of spiritual effort against one’s own human weaknesses. The small jihad is the fight for Islam with “blood or good”. So either through fight or financial support.
And Europe is on the way to the house of Islam?
In the regions where Islam is still in the minority, it is relatively inconspicuous. But everywhere in metropolitan areas, where there is a concentration of Muslims, disputes occur. The coexistence, the tolerance and the demands that they make. In Brussels, a city with 17 percent Muslim citizens, the party “Islam” first called for gender segregation in public transport. Such demands will increase. In Germany, too, we already have an Islamic party: the Alliance for Innovation and Justice (BIG). Although their demands are not so radically formulated, on their website you can read next to the blessings for the month of Ramadan: “Our standard is our ethical principles and our values, not those of others. “In my opinion, ethical principles and the resulting values are universal. Ethics is not determined by religion and ideology.
Their jihad thesis goes even further: they write that there is also a “birth jihad”. So weapons are also the wombs of Muslim women. Are large Muslim families constitutional enemies?
Of course I do not say that. Childbirth is not a crime. But it is a principle that Allah likes to see the Muslim community grow. Incidentally, Muslim women are also the reason why birth rates are rising again in Germany. And as the Muslim community grows, its political influence increases in the long run. In Austria, the number of Muslims currently doubled to 700,000 since the last census in 2001. Islamization is not a question of the Ob, but a question of when.
This is reminiscent of Michel Houllebecq’s bestseller “Submission” , in which he describes the transformation of secular France into a theocracy. Do you think that is plausible?
Absolute. You only need to look at Turkey. Who would have thought ten years ago that it would change so radically? Turkey was also a secular state, there was a functioning party landscape. The country was about to join the EU. That’s the admonishing example. We must not rest on our laurels with the rule of law and democracy. These freedoms must be defended on a daily basis – even in Germany.
A study by the University of Münster concludes that more than three-quarters of Turkish-born youth do not even go to the mosque. So is not it more likely that the Muslims living here will secularize themselves?
It is to be hoped. Of course, not going to a mosque does not mean that you do not live a radical ideology. We are currently experiencing self-indulgent adolescents who drink alcohol, maybe even smoking, drugging or going to the brothel, but sometimes still forbid their sisters from meeting with a German.
You speak from personal experience?
Yes, I visited my brother in Syria in 1994. He does not believe, but he threw me to the ground, beat me and threatened to slaughter me when I came back. The sad thing is that even if he did that, he would only get half a year in jail because he can justify it as an honor kill – his sister who indulges in non-believers and maintains a Western lifestyle. Known friends and relatives would probably have even tapped him on the back for the murder.
In 2007 you were baptized. Have you been hostile since then?
My relationship in Syria does not officially know it yet. But now it can not be concealed anyway. I am prepared for anything that may come when the book is published. I have been criticizing Islam for two years. Hate and the worst insults I know enough. A proverb says: Who cannot attack the thought, attacks the thinker.
Suffice you have also dealt with Islam in this country. What do you expect from the Muslims in Germany?
Finally talking about the violence. And stop hiding or covering them up. These must finally be at an Islam conference on the table. I wish there was more honesty in the discussion. If you want to improve something, you have to look at the worst. To the torments of mutilated girls and women, to the suffering of homosexuals and the desperation of oppressed women. Politicians could start by reading the Koran and not just the few pieces that are thrown to you. I was the same: Until a few years ago, I still defended Islam. Until I read the Koran for the first time completely. That was a bad time for me. That was a lie of life, which one reveals.