Bus campaign SIOA


SIOA bus signs defending religous freedom, and freedom from religion, are being pulled from ten buses due to involvement by CAIR, (the Hamas front group in the US), Robert Spencer reports.
“Submission. The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations can run bus ads all over the country calling Abraham, Moses and Jesus Muslim prophets, an assertion offensive to any Jew or Christian, but a human rights group cannot run bus ads defending religious liberty. Some groups that are “offended” get contempt and mockery if they express their feelings of offense. Others get immediate results, perhaps due to the thuggish nature of their coreligionists.”

Pamela has it:

“This is living under sharia (Islamic) law. They are pulling our SIOA ads off the buses in South Florida because they offend Muslims. So Muslims can run bus ads all across America inviting the clueless to convert to Islam, but we cannot make information available to Muslims who want to leave Islam. Still think this is a free country? At least three of the bus companies that ran the dawah (invitation to Islam) bus ads turned down our ad. And Miami tore the ads down in less than 48 hours.”
TT: So there we have it, Islam can offend Christianity and Judaism in bus ads that describe its religious leaders as being Muslim, they are not allowed to offer solutions to people thinking about leaving Islam.
The Miami-Dade article reporting on the controversy wrongly states that Spencer heads the SIOA organization, Pamela Geller does, as well as including this portion of the interview with Muhammad Malik that includes an obvious false claim that goes unchecked:
“Islam guarantees freedom to and freedom from religion. . . . [We] reject as un-Islamic any extremist interpretation that sanctions the killing of any individual because she decided to `leave Islam,” said director Muhammed Malik.
Geller wisely includes a fatwa from al-Azhar University, Cairo, that totally undermines Malik’s claim that Islam guarantees freedom of religion. Thanks Pamela. The Tundra Tabloids likens this experiment to the publication of the dreaded pictures of Mohamed, it shows at least what level Islam rules in America, if a totally innocuous sign causes people to fold to Muslim outrage, then freedom of speech in America is on a slippery slope. KGS

Author: al-Azhr, the Egyptian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs

This Fatawa describes how an Egyptian man turned apostate and the subsequent punishment prescribed for him by the Al-Azhr Fatawa council. The following translation is a rough guide:

In the Name of Allah the Most Beneficient the Most Merciful.
Council of Fatawa.
This question was presented by Mr. Ahmed Darwish and brought forward by [name obscured] who is of German nationality.
A man whose religion was Islam and his nationality is Egyptian married a German Christian and the couple agreed that the husband would join the Christian faith and doctrine.
1) What is the Islamic ruling in relation to this man? What are the punishments prescribed for this act?
2) Are his children considered Muslim or Christian?
The Answer:
All praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Universe and salutations on the leader of the righteous, our master Muhammed, his family and all of his companions.
This man has committed apostasy; he must be given a chance to repent and if he does not then he must be killed according to Shariah.
As far as his children are concerned, as long as they are children they are considered Muslim, but after they reach the age of puberty, then if they remain with Islam they are Muslim, but if they leave Islam and they do not repent they must be killed and Allah knows best.
Seal of Al-Azhr
Head of the Fatawa Council of Al-Azhr.
Abdullah al-Mishadd (عبد الله المشد‎)
23rd September 1978.

2 Responses

  1. just a thought, what is the difference between this and in the old testament of the bible it speaks of killing kids if they are disobedient and many other harsh, nutty, things. also the new testament according to most conservative christians say that if you don’t repent, and accept their particular understanding of Jesus and God, we will be punished in un-quenching fire feeling not only emotional torment but also eternal physical torment. so people that don’t do things just like them will suffer infinite torture and torment for “sins” committed by a person over, say, 40 years? Huh? also, most conservative christians discriminate against people that don’t agree with them and their theology and sometimes say harsh, cruel things about those people. 100 years or so ago they would even burn them at the stake and less then 50 years they justified, slavery, chauvinism, and bigotry. and thats carries on in some U.S. churches today. just a though

    1. 1.) The big difference being the Old Testament is describing history, the Koran is not, on the contrary, it’s an open ended command to convert, or forcefully submit the unbeliever until they feel themselves subdued, that is as valid now as the day it was invoked. That many Muslims do not subscribe to that is irrelevant, the fact that it’s an immutable directive is what matters most.

      2.) That Christian and Jewish scripture contains harsh words for the unbeliever is not at issue, there is no denial of it, but it’s not followed with/backed up by, a theo-political structure that instills submissive behavior with corporal punishment on the unbeliever. Big difference. Besides, both Judaism and Christianity are overwhelmingly subservient to the idea of submitting to man made law.

      3.) I doubt that in the early 1900’s Christians were burning people at the stake because they fell afoul of Christian dictates. Also, while Christians did in fact enslave Blacks, it was Christians and their moral values that ended the practice, as we can see in the founding document of the United States that recognized that all people are created equal.

      Islam is immersed in the idea of blind submission, recognizing not the uniqueness of the individual nor affording it the protection thereof, which is in direct contrast to Judaic-Christian thinking. Be careful of drawing too big and wide of comparisons.

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