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WE GOT MAIL FROM MARKO JUNTUNEN: HEY, YOU CALLED ME AN ASSHAT, HERE’S WIKIPEDIA AND SOME OF MY BLATHERINGS TO COUNTER……

This exchange resulted due to a piece I ran yesterday titled: 

FINLAND: ASS HAT RESEARCHER MARKO JUNTUNEN DENIES IRAQI SEX OFFENDERS COMMIT CRIMES FROM RELIGION AND CULTURE…….
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Marko Juntunen:

juntunenSo? In strictly scientific, and non-personalised (“ass hat”) terms, I’d like to discuss the dynamic relation between Islam as a religion and rape. Your thesis, if I understand correctly, is that the more “Muslim” the person is, the more likely he is to rape. Would that not mean that among the rapists there would be especially pious, believing and practicing muslims? Maybe even prominent Muslim scholars? However there is no indication of that. The rapists and those perpetrating overwhelming majority of cases of sexual violence hardly differ from perpetrators (young marginalised men, petty criminals, gang youth, etc.) anywhere in the world. The problem is extremely grave in various south American urban areas, together with Mexico, where extreme brutality to women is endemic especially in the areas controlled By drug cartels. The global “rape capitals” are situated in the hindu dominated areas of India. So please, I would like to hear your comments. I have been called By various creative names By you, so please save your intellectual energy to well versed response! Here in the end check the UNODC’s chart rape rate By 100 000, and explain why does it not support your argument.

My response:

First of all, as a supposed ”expert” you omit any reference to the Islamic validation of rape of the non-believer (ROP):

This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):
The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

(and that’s just for starters)

And a correction to your assertion of my POV:

“Your thesis, if I understand correctly, is that the more “Muslim” the person is, the more likely he is to rape.”

It’s actually, the more ”Muslim” the person is, the more likely he is going to understand the koranic (and umpteenth number of hadiths expounding/backing it) validation of rape of the NON-MUSLIM…for some reason you carefully avoid the fact that Muslim women in the West are not being raped by Muslim gangs.

Your conflating other rapes of women in Mexico, in the US and others around the world, is predictable but not relevant, those rapes do not have a religious backing and societal understanding, they are widely condemned by the civil society, in many Muslim countries however, they’re deemed to be the fault of the woman/girl who ”tempted” her rapist, whether it be a complete stranger or a relative, and are NOT reported.

It’s the Islamic understanding of rape which has seeped into these societies that greatly influence their views on women, especially those women who are either non-Muslim or Muslims who look and act western, I have spoken with numerous ex-muslims who emphasise this exact point.

You also avoid the fact that of non-Muslim minorities fleeing from the exact same areas where there has been war (Iraq/Syria exm) who DO NOT BEHAVE in the same manner as these muslim males are behaving in the West, though experiencing the exact same trauma of war.

The same can be said of so called ”Honor Murders”, though hailing from the same region, Christians, Jews, Yazidis and other Zoroastrians as well as other sects, do not ‘honor murder” their women folk, whether they continue to live in the ME / Maghreb region, or in the West.

It’s mostly a “Muslim thing”, hailing from traditional Islamic views of the woman, having less rights than that of a man, a potential temptress of men, the need to keep tight leashes on them lest they besmirch the honor of the family.

Also, Daniel Greefield’s excellent piece on the hijab is most suiting for this exchange, and I leave you with this:

Muslim women don’t wear hijabs, burkas or any other similar garb as a fashion statement or even an expression of religious piety. Their own religion tells us exactly why they wear them.

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies that they may thus be distinguished and not molested.” (Koran 33:59)

It’s not about modesty. It’s not about religion. It’s about putting a “Do Not Rape” sign on Muslim women. And putting a “Free to Molest” sign on non-Muslim women.

It’s about the highly toxic koran and its destructiveness on the believer that’s in question here, not people, any mind it infects can behave in the most violent ways regardless of where they hail from.

NOTE: As for the Wiki rape map sheet, in the West we report it, without fear of the woman being deemed a slut and a whore and in need of prison time. It’s a highly generalized, and suspect map nonetheless.

NOTE II: The beginning of my angst with you stems from the fact that you refused to denounce the OIC Sec-Gen while he was in Helsinki in 08′ for his denial of Islamic Jew hatred, you (antisemitism) you just sat that there silent. Then afterwards all the smiles, handshakes and back slapping. That’s why I am so prone in calling you an asshat.

OIC ishanoglu

NOTE III: It’s a well known excepted fact that in the West, a wife who refuses sexual relations with her husband, but is forced to do so nonetheless, was raped.

In Islam however:

 Quran (2:223)“Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”  There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

So women in Islam / Islamic countries could NEVER successfully lodge a claim against their husbands in court of law for having been raped, and millions do get raped every year, and without one scintilla of sympathy from the likes of you.

7 Responses

  1. Rapes are not reported in muslim countries because the victims are jailed or killed. Mohammed wanted his followers too rape the wives of the dead enemy soldiers. When his henchmen refused to rape the wives of the enemy Mohammed invented Quran 4:24:

    “The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”” (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

      1. Vlad says it best:

        “Islam as a culture creates the set of ethics that allow rape of unbelievers irrespective of their degree of outward religiosity, exactly as the committed atheist like Richard Dawkins or Christoper Hitchens will have nearly a full set of Christian ethics even if they deny that’s the origins of them. “

  2. Just needed to make an addition. Qur’ans 4:24 has been a long time favorite for many islamophobics, and usually people refer to the same hadith as you. I went and checked the original Arabic text. As usual people refer to widely circulated translations that are incorrect. The hadith in question does not have any reference to words “in the presence of their husbands”. These words are not present in the Arabic original, neither in another hadith (In Sahih Muslim) describing the same situation. Someone has simply put them there and then voilà – we have a hadith where Muhammad encourages rape! I instead encourage you to study Arabic, which makes things a bit more complicated, but a lot more rewarding! Here is the line you incorrectly used (in its original arabic form): أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَحَرَّجُوا مِنْ غِشْيَانِهِنَّ مِنْ أَجْلِ أَزْوَاجِهِنَّ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فِي ذَلِكَ

    1. Islamophobia is a term “created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.” I reject the terminology in full. That said, Koran 4:24 does in fact spell out that Mohamed sanctioned rape, the infidel (captives) are free to be plundered:

      4:24 Sahih International: “And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess.”

      Possession meaning, captive slaves, female sex slaves….rape, sanctioned rape.

      Pikthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

      Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you

      The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50)

      etc..etc…etc..

      Also, a healthy helping of Ibn Kathir is always handy: https://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=684&Itemid=59

      Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves Print E-mail

      Allah said,

      ﴿وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ﴾

      (Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.) The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married,

      ﴿إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ﴾

      (except those whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, “We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed, e

      ﴿وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ﴾

      (Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess). Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.” This is the wording collected by At-Tirmidhi An-Nasa’i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim in his Sahih. Allah’s statement,

      ﴿كِتَـبَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ﴾

      (Thus has Allah ordained for you) means, this prohibition was ordained for you by Allah. Therefore, adhere to Allah’s Book, do not transgress His set limits, and adhere to His legislation and decrees.

      So Ibn Kathir does have the sentence, but in a different wording: The Muslims hesitated to assault the women because they were married, not because their husbands were present. So the sentence is authentic (Ibn Kathir is very much so), but mistranslated. And most important: This variant is just as nasty as the other one, which maintains 4:24 as an important piece: It shows how Mo explicitly asked his men to discard the moral standards that they used to have, in order to molest captive women.

      Also, Ibn Kathir is the foundation for the canonical interpretation of the Quran in Islamic countries, BTW…

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