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Kohl was right.

They had it right way back then, and still couldn’t admit the obvious because they would be branded bigots and fascists.

NOTE: The Turks that admire and love the West, despise  or relegate Islam to a position of non-importance in their lives, are not in  question here.

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Kohl wanted to send half Turks home in 1980s

Published: 2 Aug 2013 09:48

“Chancellor Kohl said… it would be necessary over the coming four years to reduce the number of Turks by 50 percent – but he couldn’t say this publicly,” the record of a conversation he had with then British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during a visit she made to Bonn.

“It will not be possible for Germany to assimilate the Turks in their current numbers,” he told her during their meeting, on October 28, 1982.

Only four people were in the room at the time – apart from Kohl and Thatcher, he was accompanied by his advisor Horst Teltschik while her private secretary A.J. Coles kept the now-released notes on the meeting.

The documents have been released by the National Archive of the British government under the 30-years rule which keeps certain classified documents under lock and key for three decades, but then makes them available to the public.

Der Spiegel magazine has seen the record of the Kohl-Thatcher meeting.

Kohl said other migrants were not as “problematic” as the Turks.

“Germany has no problem with the Portuguese, the Italians, even the south-east Asians, because these communities integrate well,” he told Thatcher. “But the Turks come from a very different kind of culture… Germany has integrated 11 million Germans from eastern Europe. But these were Europeans and therefore did not pose a problem.”

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3 Responses

  1. The main issue with Turkish secularism is that Kemalism was inherently an urban reform movement that didn’t take hold in Turkey’s backward countryside. The main trouble with immigration in the West is that most Turks imported in Europe mainly came from the rural underdeveloped regions of Turkey.

    As far as I know, I’ve seen many Western dressed Turkish women in Europe who are de facto from essentially secularist family backgrounds, and I have noticed all too often that most of them don’t mix with other Turks. So, in fact there seems to be some kind of pattern developing from what I can gather: most non-secular women are either continuously accompanied by their husbands and/or children, or either they go around in groups while not chaperoned by their husbands.

    While on the other hand, secular Turkish women seem to be very individualist and assertive, and either go about their business alone or in groups of their own, clearly never wearing a veil or long clothes of any kind. Plus, they tend to mix freely with native populations in the West. I’ve seen groups of secular Turkish women on Saturday afternoons going around in groups clutching shopping bags full of designer clothes, while the other women are continuously trailing in the wake of their husbands wherever they go.

    I also get the impression that secular Turkish women tend to stay single to enjoy the perks of their lifestyle as long as they can. And then you have to wonder what happens to them if they get married at some point. It seems to me that Turkish male chauvinism is inherently incompatible with assertive female lifestyles.

    Anyone hazard a guess as to why that may be ? (rhetorical question, btw)

  2. Correction: I actually meant head scarves or hijabs, and NOT veils.

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