Lt.Col Allen West

CONGRESSMAN ALLEN WEST ON THE PEEING MARINES BROUHAHA: SHUT THE HELL UP…….

 

Pretend it’s homo-erotic art: “Piss Taliban”, and the Left would be promoting it on US funded tax dollars.

Allen West on the Marines Incident: ‘Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell’

“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

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59 Responses

  1. So it doesn’t matter when soldiers desecrate the bodies of the enemy?

    So there will be no complaints when Taliban fighters desecrate American soldiers corpses in the future?

    All those who were outraged when the bodies of American mercenaries were desecrated at Fallujah will now and forever shut up?

    1. The comparison of the instances of “desecration” that you mention are quite different in kind so your analogy does not hold.

      In the one case the so-called act of desecration was a symbolic gesture of disgust at the savagery of the Taliban.

      In the other case the acts of desecration were physically destructive and barbaric in the extreme.

      Your argument tells me more about you than those soldiers.

  2. War is a tough business and we are dealing with people who just don’t care who and what they desecrate. The Taliban have done worse, as you know. This enemy could care less about our standards and are taking advantage of our values if they express outrage. Their outrage is for the benefit of the Western press and whatever political benefit it will get them.

    If we are going to deal with them(and not leave them to implode) it is clear we need to deal with them in ways they understand. To be fainthearted is to show weakness. These Marines, in their way, understand that. At most, deal with them as Rep. West suggests and get over it. (Or, we can put on a show with Obama as the lead, as was done to Bush).

  3. So you think it’s just fine if American troops don’t have any standards and values and don’t care who they desecrate either?

    I take it you won’t be complaining the next time that the bodies of American soldiers or mercenaries are desecrated.

    1. I don’t give a crap about the pieces of crap our soldiers kill, then piss on, besides, as you pointed out, they’ve already desecrated our servicemen, who are the greatest soldiers in the world, having been beheaded and gutted by these pieces of filth. You better well damn believe I couldn’t care less whether our soldiers piss on their corpses or not.

      The message the US should be saying to the world is, if you take on our country, our soldiers will hunt you down, kill you and piss all over your stiff corpses, and I would personally roll their bodies in pig fat to boot.

      1. Why shouldn’t I believe you when you’ve made your position very clear.

        You don’t believe there should be any rules and anybody can do whatever they want, so when enemy fighters do the same to the bodies of fallen Americans you won’t complain about it, will you?

        1. If I understand correctly you think American soldiers and the Taliban are somehow equal?

          1. Well Americans seem to believe that desecrating corpses is just fine, so they can’t complain if anyone else does it, can they?

          2. Hey Frank, I don’t care what the enemy does anymore, I care more about our men putting real fear into them, and our feckless media and hand wringing politicians shutting the hell up. So no, I don’t give a crap what they enemy does, as long as they’re convincingly defeated.

          3. POTB and Cecilie, this guy does in fact think the two are the moral equal of each other. In fact, he probably pities the Taliban more.

          1. You want Americans to be as degenerate and barbaric as any murderous horde that has slaughtered its way through history.

            Its quite clear that you want Americans to be the moral equivalents of uncivilised barbarians so there’s not much to choose between them, is there.

          2. Pissing on a dead corpse is a far cry from beheading and gutting a living soldier, let alone flying planes into civilian office buildings. They started it, and I want it finished, convincingly. If that means burying a large percentage of the medieval bastards under rubble, then so be it, as long as it safeguards the republic.

            Enough already with politically correct wars, they are fought to be won, convincingly. You appear completely ignorant of the reasons for the military’s involvement in a war, it’s certainly not to be nice to the enemy.

    2. What theatres of war have you fought in?

      If not . . better to shut up.

      My previous argument holds just as much for you as the other person.

  4. Allen West has the balls to speak sense and tell the cowardly left to go take a hike.The Taliban are murderous scumbags. If I had the power, I would do more than piss on their bodies, I would stuff them with bacon and feed them to the wild dogs and make sure the entire incident was globally televised!

    1. I’m sure there are those who would love to do the same to the bodies of fallen American soldiers and when they do you won’t be complaining because you think that sort of thing is just fine.

  5. The trouble we have in this war is that our soldiers are hamstrung by the Rules of Engagement while the Taleban and other assorted Jihadis, are not. This gives rise to frustration and anger among soldiers who have seen the brutality and savagery of the Taleban. John Masters in his book about campaigns in Afghanistan a century ago, writes of the same brutality. Nothing much has changed except that our present day soldiers are limited by rules, while Gorkhas of the British Army were not.

    Remove the rules ands let us have a real war, you know the one where “all is fair in love and war”, and none of “hearts and minds” stuff, and we will have no further acts such as this one, but plenty of dead Taleban and their supporters.

      1. Not me but you who chose the model. We bombed Germany and not just Nazis. War is a ghastly business. You think that it is right for our civilisational enemies to use any measure but we must not. That way we lose and usher in the barbarians. No thank you. Far better we win despite, the Nazis defeated, and Germany restored to a civilised country.

        1. If you will read what has been written you will see that I am the one who is defending civilised values and you are the one who wants to remove the rules.

          If you want that it’s your choice, but call it by its right name. You want American troops to be able behave like murdering barbarians. Don’tbe shy about it, say it right out.

          1. It was you who equated our troops with Nazis in your inference, that if the restrictive rules of RoE were removed, American troops will revert to barbarism and Nazism. Such an over response is hardly conducive to rational discourse.

      2. Some people just don’t have the stomach for war. That is why others do it for them. Until anyone has been there how can you ever hope to understand the day to day situation? And if you can’t understand the situation OR the enviroment, what the fuck gives you the right to talk about anybody who serves in negative terms? That winds me up.

  6. The question is: Why are they stupid enough to let themselves be photographed, I assume by one of their own, when they must have known how this would blow up? They forget the rule: Whatever muslims do is excusable because it’s their culture; whatever westerners do is deplorable and racist.

  7. People here want to to tear up the rules and let American troops behave like savages and barbarians.

    That’s fair enough, they’ve made their position clear, but they shouldn’t pretend that they hold the moral high ground because they don’t.

    Say it right out, you want American soldiers to be as savage and barbaric as any Nazi SS thug and you want the USA to be an uncivilised and morally degenerate country. It’s your choice, don’t be shy about it.

    1. Oh of course the US has the high moral ground, your saying differently doesn’t change that fact. A few soldiers peeing on corpses doesn’t alter that one iota. Just face it, you’re a ultra pacifist who doesn’t want to see the West victorious over its sworn enemies, and that you haven’t a clue as to what war involves.

      1. You and other posters here are calling for the rules to be torn up and barbaric, no holds barred war to be waged. You can’t do that and claim to hold the moral high ground. You either follow the rules of civilised behaviour or you are an uncivilised and barbaric thug. It’s that simple.

        You can’t have it both ways. You want the USA to be a land of uncivilised savages. Be honest about it, or are you ashamed of your opinions and want to pretend that they are something they are not?

        1. Ridiculous assertion. I am calling for the same type of warfare that the Allied forces used in WWII to defeat the Axis powers. Nothing more and nothing less.

          1. You said that it is fine by you for American soldiers to desecrate corpses. How long do you think that has been part of the rules of war that the USA follows?

            Either American soldiers behave in a civilised manner or they are uncivilised barbarians.

            You have said that you want them to behave like uncivilised barbarians. Fine, I know where you stand and it’s not on the moral high ground.

          2. So you skirt the real issues again Frank. Please do understand that everyone reading this exchange is cognizant of that. Pissing on corpses by soldiers witnessing all the atrocities committed by these pieces of crap, is but a natural expression, how dare you even get upset by it, let alone equate it with what the enemy has done.

            Once again, seeing that you skirted it the first time, I am calling for the same type of warfare that the Allied forces used in WWII to defeat the Axis powers. Nothing more and nothing less.

            In all honesty, I really couldn’t care less what you think or feel.

        2. Good grief man.

          You are making all these loose claims but you present no evidence to support them.

          That’s your problem.

          You impress as a self righteous prig.

          If you were to engage in a formal debate based on what I have read, you would not last two minutes.

  8. wow lotsa arguments.

    The taliban kill civilians by holding them down and cutting off their heads with a slow sawing motion, not with a quick sword swipe like state executioners in Saudi Arabia. They do it this way because it is the slowest way possible. The victim is supposed to at first feel disbelief that its happening and then be fully aware that their head is being cut off.

    This is done to maximise and extend, for as long as possible, the experience of pain, fear, helplessness and hopelessness in the person who is having thier head sawn off.

    Those villians last breaths should have been used thank the marines for killing them quickly rather than killing them with the sadistic method they themselves use to kill unarmed civilians.

    If the Taliban don’t like it they are free to register their complaints during the next outreach visit from Ambassador Armed Drone.

    1. That’s right Truthiocity. If it were me heading US forces in Afghanistan, the carpet bombing would have begun the moment I said “head em up, move em out”. From the movie Patton:

      I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.

    2. That’s right Truthioocity. There is just no comparison to be drawn.

      Frank has a settled mindset and is impervious to any other argument.

  9. The real issue here is just what the article is about: American soldiers desecrating corpses. Whatever the enemy might or might not have done does not change the fact that American soldiers behaved like uncivilised savages.

    You think it is just fine that American soldiers behave like ignorant barbarians, thats your opinion, but it doesn’t give you the moral high ground. Quite the opposite.

    1. Bull crap. Pissing on the Taliban is a public service. Calling these soldiers uncivilized savages says more about yourself and your world views than about these brave men.

      1. Desecrating corpses is the act of uncivilised savages. That you defend and encourage such barbaric behaviour says a lot about you and your values, or should I say lack of them.

        1. Bullshit. This isn’t as football match pal, this is war, and against an enemy that does not follow the rules of the Geneva code for war, so off comes the gloves for them. You’re being plain idiotic in your arrogance towards the men and women fighting these pieces of crap savages. They should be treated perhaps doubly worse than ever before. If their religious beliefs call for a particular way in handling, and they’ll be denied paradise because of urine or pig fat,…all the better, dump them into vats of it and spread the pictures around so that they’ll get the message.

          You just have a kumbaya image of what war and savagery is, and you’re making an idiot out of yourself expressing it.

          The US is fighting a war in the exact opposite way it fought the Nazis and Japs, and they are losing it due to all this politically correct nonsense that the LEft is hamstringing it with. It’s no way to fight and WIN a war.

    2. No one is arguing about the “moral high ground”. That’s just your personal fixation.

      And when you cast aspersions about the moral integrity of an opposing viewpoint, you have already lost the argument.

  10. Is “Frank Clough” even real, or is it actually Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand or loony Charlie Sheen penning these redundant, meaningless regurgitations?

    1. HAhahahahaha…no he might not have a real name, but he’s from Finland.

      That said, I want my enemies dead and utterly defeated, instead of being the newest stringers on the Left’s bench of “victims of US imperialism”. A dead /defeated enemy will not bother to make demands upon you, Frank has no problem with that scenario.

  11. Desecrating dead bodies is an act of degenerates and perverts. You think it is a fine and acceptable thing to do and you have said that you want to see more of it, which says a great deal about the moral level you have put yourself on.

    1. Hey Frank, your incoherent assault on US servicemen doesn’t do your case one bit of good, whatsoever. You’re all over the place, not making any sense at all. You fail to address the salient points raised, so you obviously realize just how off the beaten path your thought processes are. Enough said.

      1. My point is quite simple and direct: desecrating dead bodies is uncivilised and the people who do it are barbarians.

        It adresses the point raised in the article and should be easy enough for anyone of normal intelligence to understand. There is no “going all over the place and failng to address the salient points” in what I have said. I’ll say it again: desecrating dead bodies is uncivilised and the people who do it are barbarians.

        There, simple and straightforward, isn’t it.

        Your position is quite clear as well. You think that desecrating corpses is great and more of it should be done. Which, like I said, is an uncivilised and barbaric position to take.

        1. You haven’t refuted a single point I raised, that says it all.

          1. You have not made any point to refute.

            You have said that desecrating dead bodies is a fine and commendable thing to do and you want to see more of it.

            I said that desecrating bodies is uncivilised and barbaric.

            All that there is here is a clear difference of opinion.

            You have yours, I have mine. End of story.

          2. I have said that these terrorists fall outside the geneva conventions, they are not a standing army of any recognized state, they do not adhere to any of the international agreements in any way shape or form, therefore should be treated in much the same way as they dish it out, for they do not respond to any form of civility.

            NOTE: It was only after the US started to dish it out to the Jap army in like minded form did they start to treat American POWs in internationally respected norms.

            The rest of the viewers to this exchange will make up there own minds who has a more reasonable argumentation.

        1. Saying that desecrating dead bodies is a good thing to do and that more dead bodies should be desecrated is the province of degenerates and perverts.

          The degenerates and perverts have every right to say it if they want to.

          1. Simple question to you Frank… Do you have Tourettes Syndrome?

  12. Marines should be better than this. They should set example for other Americans and our future. I support our troops but im a little disappointed in these Marines actions.

  13. That photo of the Marines pissing on dead Taliban would make for a good monument commemorating our involvement in Afghanistan. It could be located in Arlington Virginia, right next to the Iwo Jima Memorial.

  14. No, there’s no Tourettes Syndrome involved, just the right choice of words to describe the sort of degenerates and perverts who desecrate corpses.

    1. Like I thought, Tourettes Syndrome. Thanks for clearing that up.

  15. Dr. Frank Clough and Mr. Bogiman are the same durka durk. It can actually communicate beyond pounding the keys with it’s forehead so it’s probably Iranian and not an arab.

    Won’t say how I found out because I don’t believe in helping trolls be better trolls.

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