Austria Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff Free Speech

THE TUNDRA TABLOIDS LIVE BLOGS ELISABETH SABADITSCH-WOLFF’S TRIAL IN VIENNA…….

This is coming straight from the courtroom in Vienna, Austria, where the Tundra Tabloids is being handed a live feed from Henrik Raeder Clausen of EuropeNews. You’ll be the first to know about the events taking place inside the Austrian courtroom, where the first hearing of the case against Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, who’s accused of violating Europe’s onerous hate speech statutes, will be heard.

NOTE: There is a one hour time difference between Finnish and Austrian time zones. KGS

UPDATE: More pictures from today’s proceedings found here.

HEARING BEGINS AT 10:00 AUSTRIAN TIME:

9:20 Henrik Clausen states that “we’re outside the court room, waiting for Elisabeth to appear at 9:00.”


Elisabeth walking into the courtroom.

Credit for the pictures : http://sosheimat.wordpress.com/

9:41: H.C. Austrian TV is here with camera crew.

10:34: Opening remarks

The room has seats for 15, 25 spectators there. ATV and other press asks for comments, but on advice of the lawyer ESW says ”No comments now, after the hearings”.

The judge informs ESW about her rights, that all she says can be used against her.

The public prosecutor makes a short summary of various conclusions from ESW, taken out of the context from 8 hours of teachings. Without the context, they sound omnious, like speaking of a ”Burqa ghost”, comparing her statements to those of Susanne Winter, mentioning that Muhammad married a child of 6, as well as the risk that we will eventually have a civil war.

Defence lawyer talks of the principles of gender equality, freedom of religion and the lack of reciprocity that exists in Islam, for example that other religions cannot be freely excercised in several Islamic countries. That ESW grew up in Islamic countries and has experienced the situation of women there directly.

He continues to explain that the statements mentioned were taken seriously out of context, and that some were not public, thus not relevant to the case. And that we should play the 8 hours of recordings to understand the context.

He proceeds to invoke three expert witmesses who will testify that ESW speaks the truth:
Wafa Sultan,
Hans Jansen
Robert Spencer

10:53: The judge inquires if we are talking Islamic extremism or of Islam as such?

Elisabeth explains that we are talking Islam as such, as defined by its scripture, and quotes Erdogan that there is no moderate Islam anyway.

The judge accepts that we can play the tapes.

Then proceeds to ask about us being lied to 24 hours a day. Elisabeth explains the concept of Taqiyya. The judge says: ”That is your interpretation”, to which Elisabeth responds: ”No, this is the canonical interpretation”.

Next question is:Is Islam in a never-ending war with the West?”

Elisabeth refers to history and newspapers to document that, and that Jihad has at times been considered a pillar of Islam.

11:15: The ”burqa ghost” story is related.

Elisabeth took a photo of a woman in burqa in Meitlinger Hauptstrasse, Vienna, and told about this in her seminars. It is difficult to figure out why the public prosecutor finds this offensive, not to mention illegal. The defence asks about this. Elisabeth explains a few things about freedom for women – all women – to decide for themselves.

A reference is then made to debates at OSCE, where she discussed child molestation, and says: Christian cardinals molest children in conflict with their religion, Muslims in line with theirs. As background the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha is related, as documented by several Hadith authors.

Paedophilia is discussed, in light of Muhammad being the perfect example for Muslims, as stated in Quran 33:21. That means everything Muhammad ever did or said, which is in the hadith.

Elisabeth explains what the hadith collections are, how they constitute an indispensable part of Islam, due to 33:21 and similar suras. And emphasises that she is not making up statements, merely quoting canonical Islamic scripture.

Henrik Clausen: [Now apostacy – more later]

11:34: The Judge opens a discussion if we’re talking of ”All Muslims” here.

Elisabeth says no, for most Muslims do not know what is in the Quran, which is in a language (Arabic) they do not understand, and thus place their confidence in the imams for interpretations.

Judge: ”Is every Muslim a Jihadist?”

Elisabeth: ”No, not at all. But Jihad is an obligation for Muslims.”

Elisabeth: ”Converts, not cultural Muslims, are problematic.”

Elisabeth: ”This is about the teachings of Islam, not about Muslims.”

Judge: ”You said Mulisms in the seminars?”

Elisabeth: ”Yes, in context that is needed to understand the relevance of this.”

Judge: ”What percentage of Muslims are Jihadis?”

Elisabeth: ”I do not know. Not the majority. One promille is enough to be a problem, though”.

Then the quote about ”Islam is shit” is debated. Elisabeth points out that she was debating, using visual quotes, if it is legal or punishable to say ”Islam is shit”. Thus, what we are discussing here is the meta-question:

Is it illegal, or punishable, to debate the legality of saying: ”Islam is shit”?

UPDATE:

12:06: The defense lawyer goes through some point of the charges, asking Elisabeth:

Lawyer: You said: ”Muslims kill due to Islamic teachings. Christians also kill, but not due to their religious teachings.” Are there not verses in the Bible that encourage killing?

Elisabeth: Not in the New Testament, and not actively used today.

Defence lawyer explains the death threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the security she needs to live under.

Elisabeth tells about the killing of Theo van Gogh and the Quran quotes used to justify that.

Lawyer asks: ”Are there child marriages in Islamic countries?”

Elisabeth: ”yes, for example Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan. Also the late ayatollah Khomeini recommended paedophilia, and the current Iranian President Ahmadjinedad recommends his teachings.

Elisabeth: According to Islamic law, these marriages are legal and justifiable.

Lawyer: Are corporal punishments, like chopping off of limbs, part of Islamic law?

Elisabeth: Yes, this is described for instance in Reliance of the Traveler.

Henrik Clausen: [Defence lawyer and Elisabeth have explained about the classical Sunni Islamic book “Reliance of the Traveller“, unwrapping a fresh copy in court.]

UPDATE:

12:40 :The lawyer contines to ask Elisabeth to explain various statements:

Lawyer: What is meant by ”We are decadent”?

Elisabeth: That is the point of view of Islamic fundamentalists.

Lawyer: What is meant by ”We do not want Sharia here, full stop”?

Elisabeth: Free, secular socities is what we want.

Lawyer: What is meant by ”Islamic law is not compatible with free societies, we need to understand this.”?

Elisabeth: Islam is a whole, and this whole is not compatible with free societies like the Austrian.

Laywer: Did you see any veiled Muslim men?

Elisabeth (laughing): No, this is an obligation just for women.

Lawyer: You were referring to Paris, Brussels, Rotterdam. What is the meaning of that?

Elisabeth: This is a reference to the no-go zones, where Sharia is effectively in effect. There immigrant youth torches cars, throw stones at the police etcetera.

Prosecutor: Are each and every one of these persons Muslims?

Elisabeth: The majority are.

Lawyer: What is meant when you say: ”How many times have we been told that Islam is a Religion of Peace?” Is this an incitement to hate or violence?

Elisabeth: I do not mean to incite hatred or violence. We need to be informed, make people aware, inform our politicians and write letters to the newspapers.

Lawyer: What is meant by ”We do not want gender apartheid, polygamy”?
Elisabeth explains polygamy in Islam, and the fact that this is a reality in Europe, today.

Elisabeth finally tells about the First Amendment of the US Constitution, the absolute right to express ones’ opinions, as a fundamental prerequisite for a sound democracy.

[At this point, more people have arrived. There are 18 seats for the audience, 30-35 listeners total.

UPDATE: Amsterdam News following the live blogging here at the TT, also the Gates of Vienna is following as well.

UPDATE:

13:08 Breaking for lunch.

UPDATE:

14:00: The NEWS journalist Dolna was called as witness. Technicalities of her recording equipment are discussed by the judge, including the fact that of the first seminar only half an hour was recorded.

The judge inquired about some of the statements quoted being from breaks, not from the seminar proper. 3-4 persons heard those, not 32 or more, the criterium for a statement being ‘public’. This is important for legal reasons, as only statements made to a large group can be punishable.

The judge dug further into the methods of the journalist. Why did the journalist quote statements made in the breaks, not part of the lecture? The journalists says ”For journalistic reasons”. Also for dramaturgic reasons, that it makes for a more dramatic and catching article.

Further, the judge asked if it was made clear in advance that the journalist would be recording the seminars. She responded that she had not told anyone, as her work constituted ”Investigative journalism”, a journalistic tool.

The lawyer probed further into the issue of the quotes being part of the prepared seminar, or offhand comments in the breaks.

Next, the events concerning the opera ”Idomeneo” were discussed. The background is that the performance of this classical Mozart piece by Deutsche Oper Berlin, which was cancelled due to Islamic pressure. The director had added decapitation of Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad to the original play. Fear of unrest caused the play to be cancelled. The well-known German magazine Focus had, in that context, written that we should under no circumstances cave in to pressure like this.

This rounded off the day after roughly 3 hours of hearings. Since there is a need to play the complete recordings (8 hours) from the seminars, the next hearing was scheduled for January 18th.

The proceedings had a serious breach of procedure: The journalist from NEWS.at had not been summoned as a witness, yet was permitted to take the stand. Witnesses are not permitted to be present at the hearings before they are summoned. The defence lawyer will look into possible consequences of this.

This is the end of reporting for today. Please join us on January 18th 2011 for more news from the frontiers of defending the free societies of the West.

27 Responses

  1. […] of the day, an edited report of the highlights will be published. The live-blogging will take place on this URL. Be sure to bookmark it, and reload it on a regular basis Tuesday. NOTE: Special thanks to Niels […]

  2. Thanks for sharing this. It’s so important to see and hear the facts. Like roaches they too will run away when hit with a bright light.

    Stay safe for “These are the times that try men’s souls”

    Again, Thanks

  3. That seemed to go pretty well. How many judges are in the court? Does their ruling have to be unanimous?

  4. The naivety of the judge is depressing. His questions show he is not competent to try the case. All lawyers who work in a court, (including all judges) should be forced to read the source books of Islam in chronological order. If they don’t know anything about Islam then how can they learn during the trial? It is like learning to crawl when you are supposed to be the leader of a running pack. He should educate himself behind the scenes before the trial resumes. The source books of Islam are clear, as long as you read them in the order of events, ie first this thing happened, then the next thing happened etc.

  5. If truth ignites anger, hatred, or social unrest the reason for such actions can never be attributed to informative truth! All evidence and realities found in the Koran, Hadith, Islamic Encyclopedia produce such “re….actions to the action” of this gripping deceitful governance ideology found in the “name only” of the religion called Islam. The Ontological facts in the Koran numerically breakdown into the following percentages: 13% talks about God and spiritual matters (this is called the Mecca Koran) 87% talks about the Jihad in political conquest and hate against humanity! This women should not be on trail but rather Muhammad, Koran, & Muslim’s ideology should be facing hate crimes and expulsion! Yes, society has an obligation and duty to irradiate Islam and it’s followers out of humanity. This is the beginning to the end of Islam…..humanity must pick up the sword and deliver its blow to Islam!

  6. It is high time that all wake up to the danger Islam represents; to wit, over 95% of the violence is due to Islam. Also, all attacks and attempted attacks against airplanes and have forced many oppressive inspection practices on others. Islam needs to be disolved.

    1. Yes you are right. The American army in Iraq and Afghanistan looking for imaginary weapons of mass destruction are Muslims. The Israeli forces in Palestine are Muslims. All the crimes done in the USA against Muslims are done by Muslims. Or do you not see these as acts of violence as they are done against Muslims?????
      I rememberd a quote here which I would like to share: When a non-Muslim covers her hair to enter a church, she is respectful, but when a Muslim does that because she believes it is god’s orders then she is oppressed. When a non-Muslim stays at home to look after her children, she is sacrificing for them, but when a Muslim does that then she is being oppressed. It is sick to have people thinking this way.

      1. Ahmed From Dubai, Yes I am right. OBTW, it was only in Iraq where WMD were being sought but not found, but only after Saddam feigned that he had them. Oh, and Saddam, a Muslim, murdered more of his people in cold blood than US soldiers killed while taking out his regime. Oh, and it was your fellow Muslims that murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis in the name of your allah, Mohamed’s imaginary friend. Oh, and the Palestinians have murdered far more of their own people than the Israelis have killed while going after terrorists. Oh, and please name all of the acts of violence done against Muslims in the US. But I do know exactly all the crimes that Muslims inside the US have perpetrated against the US, you want to go case for case and see who comes up with the overwhelming number of incidents? Hmmmm?

        When a Christian woman enters a church and covers her head, she’s doing so out of her own free will. She can choose not to do so, and not risk getting acid thrown into her face, or being dismembered in the attic of her fathers home for dishonoring the name of her family. When a Christian woman stays home to tend the children, there’s no house arrest order on her, nor is she limited to when and where she can go, and stuck with a male relative on her heels. In the West, free choice is the norm, in the Muslim world, chains are the norm.

        I think your a highly naive and ignorant individual.

  7. Thanks for providing this running commentary. Frankly, this wonderful lady should not be on trial but European Society should be for passing laws restricting freedom of speech. This is all so convoluted. Really pleased that Robert Spencer and Wafa Sultan are witnesses and I do hope that they bring-up the laws of abrogation to the attention of the judge, who does seem to be naive .Please ensure that Elisabeth is protected at all times.

  8. I had never even heard of this case. How terrible and how very primitive in 2010 !
    Bad enough here in The Netherlands with Geert Wilders being on trial, but a ordinary citizen speaking her mind?
    Muslims can screech from the top of their lungs “death to The West” and “behead all who insult Islam” in our streets and constantly criticize Jews and Christians even as in “Palestine” teaching their own children to hate .They get away with inciting to murder in fact, yet this woman is not allowed her own opinions or criticisms about an intolerant “religion”

    I hope and pray this case will be thrown out. Who on earth are the judges? How can they be so ignorant of modern values and freedom conflicting with those stone-age ones of Islam? The mind boggles. scary. We must fight this. I will donate to this cause.

    And good reply to Ahmed, KGS !

    1. Thanks Maria, I’ll relay your good wishes to Elisabeth directly.

  9. Tundra: What’s happening with the case? Also, please re-instate the Robert Spencer one-hour video on Islam when he was visiting Belgium. It was on the TT site. I would like to listen to it again.

    1. Hi Isaac, the case will be taken up early next year. And yes, I’ll place robert’s speech back up. thanks for reminding me about it. Much appreciated.

  10. There are elements of Islam which readily lend themselves to interpretation by Muslims from many cultures, backgrounds, and levels of education throughout the world to justify conflict and violence. Consider, in the name of religion, where is a pattern of armed conflict or terrorism targeting civilians being committed between any combination of Christians and/or Hindus and/or Jews and/or Buddhists? Nowhere! Yet conflict between Muslims and Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists is endemic across many cultures with cries of “Allahu Akbar” (God is Great) accompanying murderous violent attacks and terrorism with great frequency. While one would need to consult history books for patterns of murderous destructive riots, violence, wars, insurrections and death edicts in the name of Christianity or Judaism, researchers of violence committed in the name of Islam need only read a typical mainstream daily newspaper.

  11. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann

    Muhammad, founder of Islam and author of Koran, was mentally sick psychopath, could not read and write. While in seizure, he uttered disjointed phrases, which his followers represented as Allah divine afflatus. This is the history of Islam that muslims and “honest and free” western media would not like you to know. These facts show that islam is not a religion, but a cult.
    Read: “History of Middle Ages” Professor Nikolay A. Osokin, Textbook (in Russian), Publishing house: Imperial University Printing Office, Kazan, 1888, 771 pp.; Publisher: ACT, Harvest, Moscow, 2008, 672 pp. (reprint)
    “Great” arab inventions. Obama’s Cairo speech.
    In his Cairo speech, Obama accredited to arabs all fundamental inventions human race made over centuries. None of the Obama mentioned is true, as every person graduated from credible high school knows. However, it does not mean that arabs, great nation with centuries of history, has no inventions critical for human life. They have and here they are:
    1. Ethnic Cleansing – invented centuries ago, implemented over 2000 years ago in Israel when they occupied Israel and disseminated Jews around the world; from 1948 through 1953 arab countries expelled a million Jews and stole their properties; in 1974, Turkish armed forces invaded Cyprus, captured 36 percent of its territory, partitioned the island, implemented a policy of “ethnic cleansing” and sent close to 200,000 Greek Cypriots southward as refugees who lost their property, desecrated churches and cemeteries, and in 1983 declared the northern Turkish Republic of Cyprus; in 1999, Kosovo Liberation Army stormed homes of the last 15 Jews in Kosovo’s capital, who had to clear out, with just the clothes on their backs; recently, Jews in Yemen were under attack and have been relocated to Britain.
    2. Genocide – invented by Turks and implemented in 1915–1917 in Armenia: over 1.5 mln. Armenians, including children, died.
    3. Holocaust – invented by Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, in 1920s in Palestine (occupied territory of the State of Israel); implemented in Palestine in 1920s-30s; in 1941, Haj Amin al Husseini brought the Holocaust idea to Hitler and helped him to implement Holocaust in Europe 1941-45; he organized in Europe two islamofascist brigades that operated under SS control, had their own concentration camp, and killed tens of thousand of Europeans, including Jews.

    Islam is based on three fundamental principles:
    1. Stealing
    2. Killing, and
    3. Lying

    Koran says:
    “Slay them wherever you find them. Fight against them till idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme” (Sura 2:190),
    “Seek out your enemies relentlessly” (Sura 4:103),
    “Make war on them till idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme” (Sura 8:36),
    “When the sacred months are over slay the unbelievers wherever you find them. Arrest them, beseige them and lie in ambush everywhere for them” (Sura 9:5),
    “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you” (Sura 9:121),
    “When you meet the unbelievers on the battlefield strike off their heads” (Sura 47:3),
    “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate” (Sura 66:7).

    Koran is Islamic Mein Kamf. Islam is fascist cult and must be eliminated from the earth.

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