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Little Green Footballs Victim of Subterfuge……?

The following article “Little Green Footballs has been infiltrated” is translated from a Dutch Christmas Day article in Het Vrije Volk. I noticed that Charles Johnson had already ran a Google translation of the same article, and since the quality of the translation is very poor, I thought that I’d publish a much better version of it here.

Charles Johnson has subsequently belittled both the message of the article, as well as the author who wrote it. While the blogger Bottehond does not directly address the many claims leveled against the Vlaams Belang by LGF and Øyvind Strømmen, he does however raise some valid questions about CJ’s main source of information. We only have Mr.Strømmen’s assurances that he has little contact with Marc Spruyt, the founder of Blokwatch, a leftist site dedicated to the painting of the Vlaams Belang as fascists.

Both Johnson and Strømmen use cynical humour to discourage others from taking Bottehond’s findings seriously, and why not, it’s an effective tool. Making one’s faultfinder into a fool is a handy way to discredit his message, but it doesn’t bring the reader any closer to discovering the truth. Has LGF been infiltrated? Given that the man in question, Øyvind Strømmen, has also labeled the late Oriana Fallaci as having “contributed to the mythos of Eurofascism, should serve as a warning signal in the shape of a very large red flag.

The full good translation of the article can be viewed here. *L* KGS

A snippet:

“For some weeks a controversy rages between the counter-jihadis of Litte Green Footballs and a number of Islam-critical topbloggers. Your reporter went into the battle zone of this controversy to discover a sinister plot, and the explanation why this matter went completely out of control. On first glance the issue seems to be whether or not some European parties are fascist or not, notably Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Both parties sent representatives to the anti-Islam conference in Brussels, where nearly all relevant players were present. This hurt LGF’s feelings, who in the meanwhile was being tipped off by Swedish anti-fascists. But further investigation proved there is more going on. The debate went completely out of control: old alliances and long lasting friendships might very well be permanently damaged. How did this come to be?”

Update: One of the more noteworthy comments thus far:

LGF hasn’t been infiltrated by anybody. Charles has chosen to embrace a Norwegian Marxist because it suits his purposes, and he needs someone to back his assertion that all the anti-jihad and anti-immigration parties of Europe are closet Nazis.

How is it infiltration if the owner of the blog has frequent open registration, sides with absolute loons like ‘American Infidel’ over posters with vastly more life experience and more intelligently crafted points of view to share, and is so sensitive that any criticism of him, or even appearance on blogs where some other posters are critical, results in bannings?

LGF wasn’t infiltrated. For a while the shocked reaction of the owner to the terrorist murders in New York City complemented the experience and patriotic opinions of the majority of his posters, than, after a while, his original liberal views starting coming back to the fore, aided perhaps by a desire for greater acceptance, and an ego inflated by constant stroking from a sub-set of LGF posters that didn’t have a life away from the internet.

No Norwegian uber-lib snuck up on Charles. He embraced the Norwegian uber-lib because it suited him, and fed his ‘righteous anger’ that bloggers that became popular through his blog like Fjordman and Pam ‘Atlas’ Geller would disagree with him on any substantial issue.

Ouch! *L* KGS

20 Responses

  1. Little Green Footballs has a huge blindspot – it’s the same blindspot that many Americans developed as victime of the post 1960’s public education system. Some have aptly labeled this phenomenon ‘The Death of Discernment’ or ‘fascination wit the ‘other’ – anything other than your own culture and heritage, that is.

    Fortunately LGF commenters are only one small slice of the very large American pie. Don’t give LGF any more credit than is due – after all there is zero independent original thought emanating from there. It’s merely a link aggregation site with a comment section.

    Children will be children – keep it in perspective.

  2. Right. If we’re children, VB and it’s ilk are house pets, slaves to their fear of change. Europe doesn’t embrace an inclusive society because Euro society cannot compete with the truly egalitarian idealism of America. There is no attractive national identity in old Europe (especially since the travesty of the EU); it’s all socialist, 2nd-rate, economically stagnant confusion. The effects of 50 years of liberal (leftist/socialist) policies is plain to see. Goodbye Europe, hello 3rd-world.

    The US is a polyglot society, we’ve worked hard over 200 years to ensure that US citizenship is more prized than the Euro fascination with race and class. In the 20th century we left much of that crap behind, unlike Europe. The US isn’t perfect, but at LGF we want NO PART of the classic Euro white nationalist horse crap epitomized by Hitler, and propped up in it’s watered down form by VB.

    We’re NOT children at LGF, but we DO know how to deal with them. Now go stand in a corner VB and think about your racist, lying actions.

  3. You guys are onto something: LGF is actiually the victim of a Psy-Ops operation by the Belgian Office for State Security, aimed at discrediting Vlaams Belang.

    I should know, because I am the paymaster for the whole operation. I pay in unmarked notes of one billion Zaire.

    /sarc

  4. LGF hasn’t been infiltrated by anybody. Charles has chosen to embrace a Norwegian Marxist because it suits his purposes, and he needs someone to back his assertion that all the anti-jihad and anti-immigration parties of Europe are closet Nazis.

    How is it infiltration if the owner of the blog has frequent open registration, sides with absolute loons like ‘American Infidel’ over posters with vastly more life experience and more intelligently crafted points of view to share, and is so sensitive that any criticism of him, or even appearance on blogs where some other posters are critical, results in bannings?

    LGF wasn’t infiltrated. For a while the shocked reaction of the owner to the terrorist murders in New York City complemented the experience and patriotic opinions of the majority of his posters, than, after a while, his original liberal views starting coming back to the fore, aided perhaps by a desire for greater acceptance, and an ego inflated by constant stroking from a sub-set of LGF posters that didn’t have a life away from the internet.

    No Norwegian uber-lib snuck up on Charles. He embraced the Norwegian uber-lib because it suited him, and fed his ‘righteous anger’ that bloggers that became popular through his blog like Fjordman and Pam ‘Atlas’ Geller would disagree with him on any substantial issue.

  5. Way to go LGF…

    2002: “The Europeans aren’t doing anything to combat the jihad! Europe is doomed!”
    2007: “The Europeans are doing something to combat the jihad, but we don’t like it! Europe is doomed!”

    Ah, just go boil your heads. If it takes the BNP and VB to stop the muezzins from blaring in the streets of Oxford and Brussels, then so be it.

  6. Little Green Footballs has a huge blind spot
    Lol…You can say that again. Hey Charles, if you’re so interested in European political parties with Fascist roots, why don’t you have a thread on Fine Gael and the Irish Blueshirts? Or Fianna Fail’s DeValera and his response to the death of Hitler. What about Arthur Griffith, the founder of Sinn Féin, publishing anti-Semitic articles in the United Irishman. By the way you missed another thread here. “Got a Big Fish In Armagh”. And where was my thread on Gerry Adams laying a wreath for Arafat?. I’ve a feeling that if any other British opposition MP had done that, you’d have been all over it like a rash.

  7. Fjordman and Baron Bodissey seemed to appear in the Idiotarian of the year vote. It shows that there is no limit on how low you can get.

  8. I didn’t mean to post the above as anonymous.

    Hi there, Sharmuta!

  9. It’s like this; Chucky will only go after who his handlers have instructed him to go after. I have little knowledge of European Politics, and suspect Chucky’s in the same boat. Someone told him to go after a group, and he went. He also took his little minions along for the ride.

  10. Robert Briscoe was Jewish and in the IRA. Later got himself elected mayor of Dublin, a city with almost no Jewish population.

    Of course, any semblance of the IRA as a legitimate nationalist group disappeared about the time of the establishment of the Irish state. The North was settled centuries back by Protestant Scotsman, and a healthy majority is loyal to the crown.

    The recent history of the IRA features links to the USSR and the KGB, and Palestinian and Libyan terrorists.

    I’ve read some stuff, that the IRA is degenerating even further, from a Marxist terror gang to just a criminal street gang claiming to be a terror gang.

    You’re not suggesting that Chuckles the Dancing Clown has some affinity to the public face of the Marxist-criminal IRA gang, or is just inherently anti-British, are you?

    I was discussing this topic with an Englishman named ‘bweep’ a while back, and although I wasn’t convinced than, I am starting to suspect CtDC is an Anglophobe.

    Full disclosure- I am an American Catholic, or mostly Irish ancestry, and while I often use St. Patricks Day as a good excuse to drink heavily, I have no use for Marxists of any ethnicity.

  11. I believe that the fog over the whole affair is beginning to lift. The LGF reaction to the participation of the VB & SD was grossly out of proportion.

    The fact that Charles never once approached anyone involved in the European counter-jihad privately of his concerns, but rather blurt out his misgivings, then stoke the flames…..was as regrettable as it was telling.

    Mistakes were made on both sides, but the GoV, the TT, CVF and all the rest would have taken the time to go through everything with CJ, if he was ever serious about accepting the VB & SD after the facts were in.

    I’m convinced that he never really wanted to vett anything, but only to lift his own profile as he “uncovered yet another high profile story”.

    What a shame. *L* KGS

  12. Including VB and SD into a Counter-Jihad movement is at best a terrible mistake.

    Here’s what it achieves:

    1. Euronationalist political parties are allowed to whitewash their racist positions as relating to legitimate concerns about the future of liberal democracy in Europe, something they in fact oppose.

    2. Because of # 1, the fight against islamization has no chance of garnering support from moderates, AKA the majority of europeans. In fact, it is more likely to be seen as racist.

    If you can’t see this, it’s because you don’t want to. And don’t give me that bullshit about SD and VB having cleaned up their act or whatever. Both you and I KNOW how most people view parties such as these.

    So why go to bed with them?

    And why attack LGF for having the guts and wisdom of pointing out this idiocy?

  13. Has anyone thought to check out Oyvind Strommen’s buddies over at “Blokwatch”?

    Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blokwatch

    “Blokwatcher” Sami Zemni of the “Ghent Centre for Islam in Europe” is a poor man’s version of Tariq Ramadan. Check out their demands:

    http://www.flwi.ugent.be/cie/englishome.htm

    Some Quotes from their “Manifesto”:

    1. An important intellectual condition for “embedding” Islam in Western society is that a modernised programme of scientific Islam studies should be introduced at university level. At this moment about 400.000 Muslims (or people with Muslim background) live in Belgium and their number is growing. In the countries of Western Europe their total number is estimated at nine or 10 million. If the younger generations are not provided with an up-to-date knowledge of their religion and their original cultural heritage, they will lack the necessary intellectual tools required to create a place of their own in Western society. For non-Muslims as well though such a programme will be of importance: their active participation in it will realize the necessary social reciprocity and dialogue.

    2. Islam is a universal as well as a European religious tradition. For the sake of Muslims and non-Muslims, its scientific study should be freed from the shackles of traditional Orientalism. Based on the two scientific pillars of islamology and social sciences, the study of Islam should get a modern profile. Within the space of an academic department, its graduates will be experts on the Qur’an, the hadith and other sources of Islam; Islamic law and theology; Muslim cultures, languages and literatures (not only Arabic, but also Turkish, Persian, Berber, etc.); Muslim philosophy, sociology, etc. Be they Muslim or non-Muslim they will play an important social role, inside as well as outside the Muslim community.

    3. As for the creation of institutes and curricula for religious and theological education and training, this should be the sole prerogative of the Islamic communities themselves – as is the case for the Catholic, Protestant, Humanist and other denominations. Muslims should be able to enjoy the same material facilities as the other creeds, but any kind of interference in spiritual matters should be out of the question.

    4. On a basis of equality with graduates of other creeds and different world views, Muslim academic graduates, men and women, will be able to pursue a public career of imam, teacher, social worker, etc. Provided as they will be with specific skills and expertise, they will take care of their fellow-believers and of other fellow-citizens: the elderly, the sick, the young, etc. Thus, they will contribute positively and decisively to the realisation of a better integrated and more harmonious European society. All discriminations blocking the entry of young Muslims to higher education (e.g. the ban on scarves) should be abolished from now on.

    # # #

    “Embedding” Islam into European society? Islam is a “European” religious tradition? This is what Charles has climbed into bed with. Google Sami Zemni — lots more where this came from. Oh, and he signed a petition to charge various members of the Bush administration with war crimes. Wonder what Charles thinks of THAT?

  14. Johnson and his Lizards sit behind their keyboards with the benefit of not living in ” REL=”nofollow”>Slotervaart or Borgerhout, Århus, Malmö. That doesn’t mean they cannot contriubute to the Anti-Jihad. On the contrary, they positioned themselves in the blog front of moral supporters.

    But that is no excuse at all for their perpetual ignorant reproduction of the cynical attempts by European Socialists, Communists and Marxists like Strommen, Spruyt, Yelloman and their ilk, who do anything to link the actual crimes of Fascism with the policies of Vlaams Belang, Swedish Democrats and other European conservative parties.
    Leftist taquiyya does exist, as well as psychlogical warfare of the European Left against everything that doesn’t suit their agenda.

    The true conservative parties in Europe are fighting the Jihadists with all democratic means, supported by a fast growing number of sincere citizens who are by no means anything Fascist or idiot.
    They work in the real life, with real”threats, real assasinations like those of Fortuyn and Van Gogh, but also of ordinary brave citizens like Guido de Moor.

    Johnson and his Lizards, when given the choice, seemingly prefer hiding behind the backs of willing leftists like the liberal socialist LGF groupie Van der Galien, but also, and they should be ashamed for it, behind those of Communists, Red Star Fascists (remember Rote Armee Fraktion, Brigate Rosso, RaRa), and Chavez-loving Socialists.

    Its clear. LGF under ” REL=”nofollow”>AFA rule is not the place to be, not now and certainly not once the shit hits the fan. Even AFA’s newsblog would be more informative than LGF because at least they are open about their effords to kick you under the Marxist-Islamist Boot.

    LGF and the Lizards, who amongst other important blogs, used to be a valuable support to the European Anti Jihad, to those over here that really do support the Unites States in the War on Terror, let themselves be made part of the European leftist inquisition and cause great harm, even on the American continent.
    Very unfortunate and a real waste of precious energy.

    By the way, LGF and Lizards receive many thanks and kind regards of yelloman’s German Militant Communist pals whose strive they feel: ” REL=”nofollow”>”Sponsored by Little Green Footballs”.

  15. Bert
    Neither Fortuyn or Van Gogh were euro-nationalist or racist, or “conservative” as is your preferred (misleading) term. Yet they have done infinitely more to combat islamofascism than your buddies in VB or SD. So don’t even try.

    The point is this: Most people view VB and SD as racist. Whether or not this is a misconception is completely irrelevant. Once the conter-jihad is associated with these parties, the effort is wasted. All you manage to do is tarnish an effort that people of all political stripes are slowly joining.

    But you are clearly not interested in taking this well-meant advice. So be it. The sooner the racist, illiberal, fanatic parts of the struggle against islamism are identified, the better. It’s good to finally know who is who.

  16. The debacle at LGF is the most bizarre I ever witnessed on the right side of the blogosphere – political analysis by picture analysis.

    They are fascist because the look fascist, how insane is that!

    There is no discussion of what fascism is and comparisons to VB or SD. Just pictures.

    Is this American politics, picture book politics? Have rational thought drained away? How can a political discussion be based on pictures, this is politics for the retarded.

    Is VB fascist? OK, define fascism and contrast it to VB politics and show the similarities!

    But there is no discussion of what fascism is, it is just a repeat of the lefts slander.

    (Fascism is leftist by the way)

  17. The debacle at LGF is the most bizarre I ever witnessed on the right side of the blogosphere – political analysis by picture analysis.

    They are fascist because the look fascist, how insane is that!

    There is no discussion of what fascism is and comparisons to VB or SD. Just pictures.

    Is this American politics, picture book politics? Have rational thought drained away? How can a political discussion be based on pictures, this is politics for the retarded.

    Is VB fascist? OK, define fascism and contrast it to VB politics and show the similarities!

    But there is no discussion of what fascism is, it is just a repeat of the lefts slander.

    (Fascism is leftist by the way)

  18. Theres a growing buzz in the US about this new book, due out on January 8, 2007:

    Liberal Fascism
    The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning

    This is one examination that is long overdue. I’ve already pre-ordered my copy. I anxiously await its arrival.

  19. @Sean Spenn: Of course I will not take an ‘advice’ that I haven’t been able to read, isn’t an advise and even -in advance!- contains the presumption that I díd read it and clearly [sic] am not interested in it. You must be jokin’.

    Anyway, you also write: “Once the conter-jihad is associated with these parties [VB and SD], the effort is wasted”.

    The (extreme-)leftists (=the real fascists and nazi’s) are exactly trying to achieve that: to smear the counter jihad using insinuations, censorship, wishful fantasies, cut and paste somewhere else nonsense, false accusations, messy assumptions and blunt lies (and murder).

    But that should be of no surprise to you at all since it’s part of being ‘socialist’ and there is always someone somewhere willing or ignorant enough to be in league with such traitors and ready to become their ventriloquial doll.

    My kind advise to you: read Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left (and prevent yourself from wishful misquoting, a bad liberal habbit!).

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