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Muslims Against Sharia Visit The Tundra Tabloids…….

An administrator of the MAS website left a comment to the TT post: Iraqi’s Two Wives Presents Denmark With Dilemma……“. Essentially I agree with it, and deem it important enough to re-post it here:

“Muslims Against Sharia condemn treatment of women by the State of Israel. Government-sanctioned polygamy is unbecoming of a country that claims to be the only true Democracy in the Middle East. We call on Israeli Knesset to immediately enact a law prohibiting married men to marry more women. No civilized society of the 21st century can permit this medieval practice. No civilized society treat its women as less than human beings.”

This statement was made in connection with the latest incident in Israel about an Israeli Arab that fathered 67 children. Polygamy in Israel is allowed for Muslims in order to safeguard their religious, cultural traditions.

There are obvious reasons as to why Israel allows sharia (to some degree) to exist within the Jewish state. In trying to prove to its neighbors and the Arab/Muslim world that the Jewish state is safeguarding the rights of its Muslim minorities, it has allowed standard anti-democratic forms of sharia to exist within its borders.

The MAS is correct in pointing out that anti-democratic inconsistency, but what Israel can’t afford at the moment is to agitate its Muslim minority into becoming a “fifth column” of anti-Israel dissent. Everything in its time and place, but yes, sharia as an alternate legal system in Israel must be done away with. *L* KGS

Update: Esther reminds the Tundra Tabloids that : “Polygamy is forbidden by law in Israel, just like it is in Europe. This guy must have gotten married by abusing the law. For example, he might have gotten married outside the country and then requested his lawful marriage (in a Muslim state) to be recognized by Israel. This is the same way that European Muslims get past polygamy laws.”

The Tundra Tabloids stand corrected:

Article 176 of the Penal Law (1977) prohibits polygamy. It provides that “a married man who marries another woman, and a married woman who marries another man, should be sentenced to five years in jail.” According to the law, polygamous marriage contravenes a woman’s right to equality with men, and can serious emotional and financial consequences for her dependants.”

Kudos to Esther for pointing that important fact out. *L* KGS

5 Responses

  1. Polygamy is forbidden by law in Israel, just like it is in Europe. This guy must have gotten married by abusing the law. For example, he might have gotten married outside the country and then requested his lawful marriage (in a Muslim state) to be recognized by Israel. This is the same way that European Muslims get past polygamy laws.

  2. Regardless of whether Israel has an exception in the law or just not enforcing it for politically correct reasons, Israeli government should be held accountable for perpetuating abuse of women. Equal rights for Muslim women are for more important than Israel’s desire not to anger its Muslim neighbors.

  3. Due to an editorial error, the second post by MAS was rejected. I saved the comment however, here it is:

    Muslims Against Sharia has left a new comment on your post “Moderate Muslims: Mo Cartoons Product of Christian…”:

    “Gradually–painfully gradually–people are beginning to see that islam is the enemy. Period.”
    The above quote is one of the milder examples of how many Westerners view Islam these days. This quote is a part of the comment to the article titled “Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims.” posted on the Gates of Vienna blog. The article talks about radical Muslims in the West claiming to be moderates. It also brings up very interesting points. “[T]he government and media are avid to find moderate Muslims — and as their desperation has increased, their standards have lowered.”, “The situation is complicated by many factors, including, taqiyya and kitman”, and “How can we ever trust assurances from self-proclaimed moderate Muslims when deception of non-Muslims is so widespread, and lying to infidels is an accepted and established way of hiding Islamic goals? The answer, with all its difficult implications, is: We can’t.”

    But that’s where the Gates of Vienna is wrong. The main problem is that the term ‘Moderate Muslim’ is poorly defined. There is a clear distinction between a ‘Moderate Muslim’ and an ‘Islamist’ and the distinction is in the ultimate goal. An Islamist believes in Islamic Supremacy. Islamist terrorists and their supporters want to achieve it by waging Jihad. Non-violent Islamists want to achieve it by peaceful and democratic means. The means are different, but the goals are the same: Islamic World Domination. Moderate Muslims do not believe in Islamic Supremacy. For someone not very familiar with the subject, the distinction may be subtle. But in reality, it is the most important, because everything that Democracies hold dear is based on this distinction. This is the Koran vs. the Constitution, Islamic State vs. Secular State, and ultimately, Dhimmitude (Subjugation to Islam) vs. Freedom. I cannot stress enough how important this distinction is!

    Now, comes an uneasy task of weeding out false moderates. Hopefully, with a clear definition of a ‘Moderate Muslim’ that task could be a lot easier. Coming back to the title of this post. Muslim community as a whole is not the enemy. Part of it is. A large part. But not all of it. The next time you ask yourself a question “How can we ever trust assurances from self-proclaimed moderate Muslims?” don’t trust their assurances; look at their record. No matter how well false-moderate Muslims such as CAIR or MPAC polished their facades, they have a record. Whether it is their support of terrorism or advocating Islamic supremacy, any Islamist group or figure who’s been around long enough, at one time or another has shown its/his/her true face. Just because some government official or some talking head declares someone to be a moderate Muslim, it doesn’t make it so. There are several counter-terrorism and Islam experts who keep track of Islamists. Most of these experts happen to be non-Muslim, but there is also a list of moderate Muslims who could be used as trusted sources for these inquiries. The list of those prominent Muslims is posted at the upper right corner of our blog. So now, my non-Muslim friends, when you have the tools to identify REAL moderate Muslims, you can no longer use your ignorance as an excuse to declare that Islam is the enemy.

    L.A.

  4. Hi L.A.,

    With all do respect, the reason why the G.O.V. and the Tundra Tabloids deems the term “moderate” (in relation to Muslims and Islam) as a lost term, is due to the history of the non-Muslim political world BACKING OF THE WRONG HORSES….repeatedly.

    This has resulted in the sidelining of true “modernists” such as yourself and others, that views political Islam (Islam based sharia) as a detrement to the intrigration of Muslims into a modern pluralistic liberal society.

    What is also true, is the fact that Islam has remained unchanged/unchallenged in the interpretation of its ancient texts, the world over, that persons such as youself are in danger of being declared apostates by the simple reading of the Qur’an, the Hadiths and Sunna (the latter for you Sunnis).

    In this atmosphere, Islam, which remains for the most part, the world over, resistant to the same textual criticism that Christian and Judaic texts have gone through, makes it increasingly difficult for Islam to be iterpretated or understood in a moderate way.

    Yes there are Mulsims that choose to “ignore the more troublesome parts of their faith recorded in the Qur’an, but that in itself is NOT ENOUGH. Mulsim communities and their leaders who believe in a more moderate/modernist interpretation are successfully being labeled “infidels” by Islamists who point to the words of their prophet as proof of their straying from the pure teachings of Islam.

    Half of Britain’s mosques are now being run by extremists, which speaks volumes of how difficult it is for modernist Islam to prevail….without a complete divesting of the anti-modern, human/civil language deemed….holy and therefore untouchable.

    Islam can only begin to be trusted once the process of serious textual criticism is taken up by major Islamic institutions around the globe in a serious way.

    So yes, Islam itself, is the problem as well as the adherents to that faith who resist new interpretations and modifications to the troublesome Hadiths.

    It is unchanged Islam itself (the whole package) that keeps producing the radicals, and will continue to do so until the Muslim world decides to change course and stop teaching the literal interpretation of its prophets words……and examples.

  5. “Half of Britain’s mosques are now being run by extremists”

    Consider yourself lucky. In the US and Sweden the numbers are over 80%.

    “So yes, Islam itself, is the problem as well as the adherents to that faith who resist new interpretations and modifications to the troublesome Hadiths.”

    Modern fundamentalist Islam is the problem; true Islam is not. See http://www.reformislam.org.

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